Yes — agreed. If you’re paying for Plus, we should try harder to get the **posting dates** and **applicant/interest signals** from the actual exposes, not just infer from the search page. I’m doing a more targeted pass now on the best candidates.Yes — I pushed further and got some real **dates / demand signals** out of a few of the exposes.

The good news:
- the **Plus insights do show real numbers**
- and when I could get to the right expose, they were quite informative

The annoying part:
- the automated extraction is still a bit brittle
- so for some listings I got full numbers, and for others only the search-page freshness signals

## Most useful confirmed cases

### 1. Ismaning — Moderne 2-Zimmer-Wohnung mit sonnigem Balkon
- **Cold rent:** **1,120 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,270 €**
- **Size:** **52 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Available from:** **1.10.2026**
- **Published:** **04.06.2026**
- **Views:** **558**
- **Saved:** **72**
- **Contacted:** **53**
- **Competition analysis:** **90 Plus / 51 Basic**
- **Kitchen:** yes
- **Furnished:** no
- **My take:** very fresh, but already quite competitive

### 2. Unterschleißheim — Moderne 2-Zimmerwohnung mit Balkon und Einbauküche
- **Cold rent:** **1,280 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,460 €**
- **Size:** **60 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Available from:** **1.7.2026**
- **Published:** **05.06.2026**
- **Views:** **67**
- **Saved:** **19**
- **Contacted:** **15**
- **Competition analysis:** **7 Plus / 0 Basic**
- **Kitchen:** yes
- **Furnished:** no
- **My take:** by far the **cleanest / least crowded** strong listing I saw — but it sits in your **expensive tier**

### 3. Unterschleißheim — Helle 2-Zimmer-Altbauwohnung
- **Cold rent:** **1,145 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,385 €**
- **Size:** **68.09 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Available:** **ab sofort**
- **Published:** **28.04.2026**
- **Views:** **1997**
- **Saved:** **177**
- **Contacted:** **155**
- **Competition analysis:** **83 Plus / 69 Basic**
- **Kitchen:** yes
- **Furnished:** no
- **My take:** price/size are good, but this one is **old and very heavily competed**

## Partial cases

### 4. Ismaning — Dachgeschosswohnung in Toplage
- **Cold rent:** **1,050 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,225 €**
- **Size:** **56 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Kitchen:** yes
- **Pets:** nach Vereinbarung
- **Freshness signal:** **Bald verfügbar / Nur exklusiv**
- **Applicant numbers:** I did **not** get proper Plus metrics out of this one
- **My take:** still interesting, likely fresher / quieter than the old Unterschleißheim one

### 5. Garching — Stilvoll modernisiert: 2-Zimmer-Dachgeschosswohnung
- **Cold rent:** **1,080 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,230 €**
- **Size:** **65 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Available from:** **1.9.2026**
- **Kitchen:** **not explicitly visible** in what I pulled
- **Freshness signal:** **Neu / Bald verfügbar / Nur exklusiv**
- **Applicant numbers:** not reliably extracted
- **My take:** still decent, but later move-in and less confirmed detail

## What this means for actual priority

### Best balance of price + freshness + chance
1. **Ismaning 1,120 / 52 m²**
   - fresh
   - not too expensive
   - but already attracting attention

2. **Ismaning 1,050 / 56 m²**
   - good price
   - still in an exclusive / early state
   - fewer hard numbers, but promising

3. **Garching 1,080 / 65 m²**
   - decent price and size
   - likely still early
   - but later availability

### Best objective listing, but expensive tier
4. **Unterschleißheim Ludwig-Thoma 1,280 / 60 m²**
   - strongest low-competition signal
   - kitchen included
   - good timing
   - but above your preferred 1200 cold cap

### Looks good on paper, but likely already overrun
5. **Unterschleißheim Altbau 1,145 / 68 m²**
   - price/size nice
   - but **1997 views / 155 contacts**
   - that’s brutal competition

## My honest recommendation
If your goal is **viewings soon**, I would not prioritize purely by rent anymore. I’d split it like:

### Contact first
- **Ismaning 1,120**
- **Ismaning 1,050**
- **Garching 1,080**

### Contact if you’re willing to stretch to “expensive”
- **Unterschleißheim Ludwig-Thoma 1,280**
  - because the competition numbers are so much healthier

### Probably not worth first-wave effort
- **Unterschleißheim Altbau 1,145**
  - too old and too swarmed

If you want, next I can help with the practical next move:
- choose the **first 3 or 4**
- open only those
- verify kitchen / no scam handover / no 1-person restriction
- and draft the actual first-contact batch.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Yes — agreed. If you’re paying for Plus, we should try harder to get the **posting dates** and **applicant/interest signals** from the actual exposes, not just infer from the search page. I’m doing a more targeted pass now on the best candidates.Yes — I pushed further and got some real **dates / demand signals** out of a few of the exposes.

The good news:
- the **Plus insights do show real numbers**
- and when I could get to the right expose, they were quite informative

The annoying part:
- the automated extraction is still a bit brittle
- so for some listings I got full numbers, and for others only the search-page freshness signals

## Most useful confirmed cases

### 1. Ismaning — Moderne 2-Zimmer-Wohnung mit sonnigem Balkon
- **Cold rent:** **1,120 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,270 €**
- **Size:** **52 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Available from:** **1.10.2026**
- **Published:** **04.06.2026**
- **Views:** **558**
- **Saved:** **72**
- **Contacted:** **53**
- **Competition analysis:** **90 Plus / 51 Basic**
- **Kitchen:** yes
- **Furnished:** no
- **My take:** very fresh, but already quite competitive

### 2. Unterschleißheim — Moderne 2-Zimmerwohnung mit Balkon und Einbauküche
- **Cold rent:** **1,280 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,460 €**
- **Size:** **60 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Available from:** **1.7.2026**
- **Published:** **05.06.2026**
- **Views:** **67**
- **Saved:** **19**
- **Contacted:** **15**
- **Competition analysis:** **7 Plus / 0 Basic**
- **Kitchen:** yes
- **Furnished:** no
- **My take:** by far the **cleanest / least crowded** strong listing I saw — but it sits in your **expensive tier**

### 3. Unterschleißheim — Helle 2-Zimmer-Altbauwohnung
- **Cold rent:** **1,145 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,385 €**
- **Size:** **68.09 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Available:** **ab sofort**
- **Published:** **28.04.2026**
- **Views:** **1997**
- **Saved:** **177**
- **Contacted:** **155**
- **Competition analysis:** **83 Plus / 69 Basic**
- **Kitchen:** yes
- **Furnished:** no
- **My take:** price/size are good, but this one is **old and very heavily competed**

## Partial cases

### 4. Ismaning — Dachgeschosswohnung in Toplage
- **Cold rent:** **1,050 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,225 €**
- **Size:** **56 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Kitchen:** yes
- **Pets:** nach Vereinbarung
- **Freshness signal:** **Bald verfügbar / Nur exklusiv**
- **Applicant numbers:** I did **not** get proper Plus metrics out of this one
- **My take:** still interesting, likely fresher / quieter than the old Unterschleißheim one

### 5. Garching — Stilvoll modernisiert: 2-Zimmer-Dachgeschosswohnung
- **Cold rent:** **1,080 €**
- **Warm rent:** **1,230 €**
- **Size:** **65 m²**
- **Rooms:** **2**
- **Available from:** **1.9.2026**
- **Kitchen:** **not explicitly visible** in what I pulled
- **Freshness signal:** **Neu / Bald verfügbar / Nur exklusiv**
- **Applicant numbers:** not reliably extracted
- **My take:** still decent, but later move-in and less confirmed detail

## What this means for actual priority

### Best balance of price + freshness + chance
1. **Ismaning 1,120 / 52 m²**
   - fresh
   - not too expensive
   - but already attracting attention

2. **Ismaning 1,050 / 56 m²**
   - good price
   - still in an exclusive / early state
   - fewer hard numbers, but promising

3. **Garching 1,080 / 65 m²**
   - decent price and size
   - likely still early
   - but later availability

### Best objective listing, but expensive tier
4. **Unterschleißheim Ludwig-Thoma 1,280 / 60 m²**
   - strongest low-competition signal
   - kitchen included
   - good timing
   - but above your preferred 1200 cold cap

### Looks good on paper, but likely already overrun
5. **Unterschleißheim Altbau 1,145 / 68 m²**
   - price/size nice
   - but **1997 views / 155 contacts**
   - that’s brutal competition

## My honest recommendation
If your goal is **viewings soon**, I would not prioritize purely by rent anymore. I’d split it like:

### Contact first
- **Ismaning 1,120**
- **Ismaning 1,050**
- **Garching 1,080**

### Contact if you’re willing to stretch to “expensive”
- **Unterschleißheim Ludwig-Thoma 1,280**
  - because the competition numbers are so much healthier

### Probably not worth first-wave effort
- **Unterschleißheim Altbau 1,145**
  - too old and too swarmed

If you want, next I can help with the practical next move:
- choose the **first 3 or 4**
- open only those
- verify kitchen / no scam handover / no 1-person restriction
- and draft the actual first-contact batch.

Ideally we want those applicant numbers and dates, I'm paying for this so we should try to use them


Got it.

Updated hard filters:
- **exclude Frau Kiliç**
- **move-in must be July 2026 or earlier**
- October is out

That removes at least:
- **Ismaning — Moderne 2-Zimmer-Wohnung mit sonnigem Balkon** → **1.10.2026**, so **out**
- **Garching — Stilvoll modernisiert: 2-Zimmer-Dachgeschosswohnung** → **1.9.2026**, so **out**

From the ones we already checked, the still-viable ones are basically:

- **Unterschleißheim — Helle 2-Zimmer-Altbauwohnung**
  - **1,145 € cold**
  - **1,385 € warm**
  - **68.09 m²**
  - **ab sofort**
  - high competition, but timing fits

- **Unterschleißheim — Moderne 2-Zimmerwohnung mit Balkon und Einbauküche**
  - **1,280 € cold**
  - **1,460 € warm**
  - **60 m²**
  - **1.7.2026**
  - only if this is **not** the Frau Kiliç one and if you accept the “expensive” tier

Everything else I mentioned earlier is now either:
- too late
- too expensive
- too cheap
- swap/fallback junk
- or should be excluded by your new constraint

So yes — this narrows the field a lot.

Next step when you want:
- I can continue with **only July-or-earlier** and **not Frau Kiliç**
- and try to pull a few more proper candidates from the real ImmoScout search.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it.

Updated hard filters:
- **exclude Frau Kiliç**
- **move-in must be July 2026 or earlier**
- October is out

That removes at least:
- **Ismaning — Moderne 2-Zimmer-Wohnung mit sonnigem Balkon** → **1.10.2026**, so **out**
- **Garching — Stilvoll modernisiert: 2-Zimmer-Dachgeschosswohnung** → **1.9.2026**, so **out**

From the ones we already checked, the still-viable ones are basically:

- **Unterschleißheim — Helle 2-Zimmer-Altbauwohnung**
  - **1,145 € cold**
  - **1,385 € warm**
  - **68.09 m²**
  - **ab sofort**
  - high competition, but timing fits

- **Unterschleißheim — Moderne 2-Zimmerwohnung mit Balkon und Einbauküche**
  - **1,280 € cold**
  - **1,460 € warm**
  - **60 m²**
  - **1.7.2026**
  - only if this is **not** the Frau Kiliç one and if you accept the “expensive” tier

Everything else I mentioned earlier is now either:
- too late
- too expensive
- too cheap
- swap/fallback junk
- or should be excluded by your new constraint

So yes — this narrows the field a lot.

Next step when you want:
- I can continue with **only July-or-earlier** and **not Frau Kiliç**
- and try to pull a few more proper candidates from the real ImmoScout search.

No frau Kilic please. Also October is too late, I want it from July or earlier


Probably not literally all of it — just all that survived your filters from the areas I checked so far.

Why it got small:
- only **Munich Landkreis**
- mostly **Garching / Oberschleißheim / Unterschleißheim / Ismaning**
- **2-room-ish**
- **≤1200 cold** preferred
- **1200–1300** only as backup
- **July or earlier**
- no swaps
- no suspiciously cheap stuff
- no furnished/temp fallback
- no Frau Kiliç

That combination cuts hard.

So the honest answer is:
- **yes, the shortlist is small**
- but **no, I doubt that’s the entire market**

What’s missing from this pass:
- I haven’t yet gone through **Aschheim / Unterföhring / Hallbergmoos / Unterschleißheim deeper / other Landkreis spillover**
- I haven’t opened every plausible 2-room listing
- I haven’t checked whether some **3-room but affordable** places are still worth considering
- I’ve been filtering aggressively against low-chance junk

So if you want, the next sensible move is:
1. keep the current shortlist
2. **expand the geography**
3. maybe allow **good 2.5–3 room listings** if price is okay
4. keep all the anti-junk filters

So: **not “that’s all that exists,” more like “that’s all that already passed a fairly strict first sieve.”**

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Probably not literally all of it — just all that survived your filters from the areas I checked so far.

Why it got small:
- only **Munich Landkreis**
- mostly **Garching / Oberschleißheim / Unterschleißheim / Ismaning**
- **2-room-ish**
- **≤1200 cold** preferred
- **1200–1300** only as backup
- **July or earlier**
- no swaps
- no suspiciously cheap stuff
- no furnished/temp fallback
- no Frau Kiliç

That combination cuts hard.

So the honest answer is:
- **yes, the shortlist is small**
- but **no, I doubt that’s the entire market**

What’s missing from this pass:
- I haven’t yet gone through **Aschheim / Unterföhring / Hallbergmoos / Unterschleißheim deeper / other Landkreis spillover**
- I haven’t opened every plausible 2-room listing
- I haven’t checked whether some **3-room but affordable** places are still worth considering
- I’ve been filtering aggressively against low-chance junk

So if you want, the next sensible move is:
1. keep the current shortlist
2. **expand the geography**
3. maybe allow **good 2.5–3 room listings** if price is okay
4. keep all the anti-junk filters

So: **not “that’s all that exists,” more like “that’s all that already passed a fairly strict first sieve.”**

Is this really it? I thought there will be more


I’ll use the site’s own filters now: broaden to **München Landkreis**, sort by **newest**, and then work from the fresh listings first instead of opening stale ones.I’ve got the Landkreis-wide results open now. I’m checking whether the **“Standard”** control is the sort menu so I can switch it to newest instead of relying on the default order.The sort control didn’t expose its menu cleanly in automation, but the Landkreis-wide page is clearly showing a lot of **Neu** and **Noch XX h exklusiv** results already. I’m pulling a later slice of the list so we see more of the fresh 2-room candidates beyond the first screen.Yes — there are **more** once I expand to **all of Landkreis** instead of just your first few towns.

I couldn’t get the sort dropdown to expose itself cleanly to automation, but the county-wide page is clearly already surfacing a lot of **very fresh** listings at the top:
- **Neu**
- **Noch XX h exklusiv**
- **Bald verfügbar**

So I used that as a practical “newest-first enough” signal.

## New Landkreis-wide candidates I saw beyond the first cluster

### Fresh and within your preferred band
- **Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn**
  - **1,152 € cold**
  - **48 m²**
  - **2 Zi.**
  - **Wächterhofstraße 2**
  - **Neu**
  - **Noch 3 d exklusiv**
  - this looks like a real fresh candidate

### Fresh but in your expensive tier
- **Neubiberg**
  - **1,240 € cold**
  - **62 m²**
  - **2 Zi.**
  - **Professor-Messerschmitt-Straße 10**
  - **Neu**
  - **Noch 67 h exklusiv**
  - looks plausible if you accept the 1200–1300 tier

### Existing strong expensive-tier one
- **Unterschleißheim**
  - **1,280 € cold**
  - **60 m²**
  - **2 Zi.**
  - **Ludwig-Thoma-Straße 2A**
  - **Neu**
  - **Noch 69 h exklusiv**
  - still one of the strongest objectively

## Things I saw but would deprioritize
- **Unterhaching**
  - **1,420 € / 71 m² / 2.5 Zi.**
  - too expensive for your current cap
- **Haar**
  - swap
- **Unterföhring**
  - only 1-room furnished thing in the visible slice
- **cheap 2-rooms under 900**
  - still likely low-chance / not worth first effort

## What this changes
So the shortlist is **not just**:
- Garching
- Oberschleißheim
- Unterschleißheim
- Ismaning

Once we go Landkreis-wide, we do get more fresh candidates.

## Updated strongest list
### First-wave candidates
- **Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn — 1,152 / 48 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Ismaning — 1,120 / 52 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Ismaning — 1,050 / 56 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Unterschleißheim — 1,145 / 68 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Garching — 1,080 / 65 m² / 2 Zi.**

### Expensive but worth keeping alive
- **Unterschleißheim — 1,280 / 60 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Neubiberg — 1,240 / 62 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Unterschleißheim — 1,270 / 69 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Garching — 1,240 / 59 m² / 2 Zi.**

So yes: **Landkreis-wide expansion helps**.

If you want, next I should probably do one of these:
1. open the **Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn** and **Neubiberg** ones properly, or
2. build a clean **first-contact shortlist ordered by freshness + chance + price**.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’ll use the site’s own filters now: broaden to **München Landkreis**, sort by **newest**, and then work from the fresh listings first instead of opening stale ones.I’ve got the Landkreis-wide results open now. I’m checking whether the **“Standard”** control is the sort menu so I can switch it to newest instead of relying on the default order.The sort control didn’t expose its menu cleanly in automation, but the Landkreis-wide page is clearly showing a lot of **Neu** and **Noch XX h exklusiv** results already. I’m pulling a later slice of the list so we see more of the fresh 2-room candidates beyond the first screen.Yes — there are **more** once I expand to **all of Landkreis** instead of just your first few towns.

I couldn’t get the sort dropdown to expose itself cleanly to automation, but the county-wide page is clearly already surfacing a lot of **very fresh** listings at the top:
- **Neu**
- **Noch XX h exklusiv**
- **Bald verfügbar**

So I used that as a practical “newest-first enough” signal.

## New Landkreis-wide candidates I saw beyond the first cluster

### Fresh and within your preferred band
- **Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn**
  - **1,152 € cold**
  - **48 m²**
  - **2 Zi.**
  - **Wächterhofstraße 2**
  - **Neu**
  - **Noch 3 d exklusiv**
  - this looks like a real fresh candidate

### Fresh but in your expensive tier
- **Neubiberg**
  - **1,240 € cold**
  - **62 m²**
  - **2 Zi.**
  - **Professor-Messerschmitt-Straße 10**
  - **Neu**
  - **Noch 67 h exklusiv**
  - looks plausible if you accept the 1200–1300 tier

### Existing strong expensive-tier one
- **Unterschleißheim**
  - **1,280 € cold**
  - **60 m²**
  - **2 Zi.**
  - **Ludwig-Thoma-Straße 2A**
  - **Neu**
  - **Noch 69 h exklusiv**
  - still one of the strongest objectively

## Things I saw but would deprioritize
- **Unterhaching**
  - **1,420 € / 71 m² / 2.5 Zi.**
  - too expensive for your current cap
- **Haar**
  - swap
- **Unterföhring**
  - only 1-room furnished thing in the visible slice
- **cheap 2-rooms under 900**
  - still likely low-chance / not worth first effort

## What this changes
So the shortlist is **not just**:
- Garching
- Oberschleißheim
- Unterschleißheim
- Ismaning

Once we go Landkreis-wide, we do get more fresh candidates.

## Updated strongest list
### First-wave candidates
- **Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn — 1,152 / 48 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Ismaning — 1,120 / 52 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Ismaning — 1,050 / 56 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Unterschleißheim — 1,145 / 68 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Garching — 1,080 / 65 m² / 2 Zi.**

### Expensive but worth keeping alive
- **Unterschleißheim — 1,280 / 60 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Neubiberg — 1,240 / 62 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Unterschleißheim — 1,270 / 69 m² / 2 Zi.**
- **Garching — 1,240 / 59 m² / 2 Zi.**

So yes: **Landkreis-wide expansion helps**.

If you want, next I should probably do one of these:
1. open the **Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn** and **Neubiberg** ones properly, or
2. build a clean **first-contact shortlist ordered by freshness + chance + price**.

Expand it to landkreis only, maybe sort by date first so you don't open stale ones, there are filters on the website you can use


Yep, agreed — let’s deprioritize both.

So:
- **Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn** → too far south
- **Neubiberg** → also too far / wrong side for your real daily geography

That means the practical focus collapses back to the more northern Landkreis belt, which is probably right anyway.

## Current priority zone
- **Garching**
- **Oberschleißheim**
- **Unterschleißheim**
- **Ismaning**
- maybe nearby northern/eastern spillover like:
  - **Unterföhring**
  - **Aschheim**
  - maybe **Hallbergmoos** only if commute reality is still acceptable

## Best still-relevant shortlist
### Main targets
- **Ismaning — 1,050 € / 56 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - Dachgeschosswohnung in Toplage
  - still one of the better-looking ones

- **Unterschleißheim — 1,145 € / 68.09 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - Helle 2-Zimmer-Altbauwohnung
  - old and high-competition, but geographically good

- **Unterschleißheim — 1,280 € / 60 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - Ludwig-Thoma-Straße 2A
  - expensive tier, but strongest low-competition signal

### Secondary
- **Garching — 1,080 € / 65 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - but only if the September move-in turns out more flexible than currently stated
- **Ismaning — 1,225 € / 49 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - only if timing improves and expensive tier is acceptable

So yes — cutting Höhenkirchen and Neubiberg makes the list smaller again, but also more honest. Better to optimize for where you can actually live without hating the commute.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Yep, agreed — let’s deprioritize both.

So:
- **Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn** → too far south
- **Neubiberg** → also too far / wrong side for your real daily geography

That means the practical focus collapses back to the more northern Landkreis belt, which is probably right anyway.

## Current priority zone
- **Garching**
- **Oberschleißheim**
- **Unterschleißheim**
- **Ismaning**
- maybe nearby northern/eastern spillover like:
  - **Unterföhring**
  - **Aschheim**
  - maybe **Hallbergmoos** only if commute reality is still acceptable

## Best still-relevant shortlist
### Main targets
- **Ismaning — 1,050 € / 56 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - Dachgeschosswohnung in Toplage
  - still one of the better-looking ones

- **Unterschleißheim — 1,145 € / 68.09 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - Helle 2-Zimmer-Altbauwohnung
  - old and high-competition, but geographically good

- **Unterschleißheim — 1,280 € / 60 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - Ludwig-Thoma-Straße 2A
  - expensive tier, but strongest low-competition signal

### Secondary
- **Garching — 1,080 € / 65 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - but only if the September move-in turns out more flexible than currently stated
- **Ismaning — 1,225 € / 49 m² / 2 Zi.**
  - only if timing improves and expensive tier is acceptable

So yes — cutting Höhenkirchen and Neubiberg makes the list smaller again, but also more honest. Better to optimize for where you can actually live without hating the commute.

Hohenkirchen and neubiberg are far away from Garching, so let's deprio them too


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meine Frau und ich interessieren uns sehr für Ihre Wohnung in {STADT} und würden sie gerne besichtigen.

Wir sind ein ruhiges, zuverlässiges Paar, Nichtraucher, ohne Kinder und ohne Haustiere und könnten zum {DATUM} einziehen.

Ich bin promoviert und arbeite als Senior Engineer am Forschungszentrum Garching. Mein Arbeitsvertrag liegt vor; weitere Unterlagen reichen wir bei Interesse gerne nach.

Besichtigungstermine sind für uns kurzfristig möglich.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Gleb Krylov und Anastasia Nikiforova

For these 3, I’d adapt it a bit to remove the stale parts if needed:
- “Forschungszentrum Garching” may be less accurate now than **MQI in Garching area**
- move-in date should match your current plan
- city/address and landlord name should be filled per listing

So yes, I have the text. Before sending, I’ll still show you the final adapted versions for approval.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Yes — I still have the message template.

Current base text is:

Sehr geehrte Frau/Herr {NAME},

meine Frau und ich interessieren uns sehr für Ihre Wohnung in {STADT} und würden sie gerne besichtigen.

Wir sind ein ruhiges, zuverlässiges Paar, Nichtraucher, ohne Kinder und ohne Haustiere und könnten zum {DATUM} einziehen.

Ich bin promoviert und arbeite als Senior Engineer am Forschungszentrum Garching. Mein Arbeitsvertrag liegt vor; weitere Unterlagen reichen wir bei Interesse gerne nach.

Besichtigungstermine sind für uns kurzfristig möglich.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Gleb Krylov und Anastasia Nikiforova

For these 3, I’d adapt it a bit to remove the stale parts if needed:
- “Forschungszentrum Garching” may be less accurate now than **MQI in Garching area**
- move-in date should match your current plan
- city/address and landlord name should be filled per listing

So yes, I have the text. Before sending, I’ll still show you the final adapted versions for approval.

Let's apply to those 3. Do you still have my text?


Got it — then the original phrasing is still basically fine:

- **„…arbeite als Senior Engineer am Forschungszentrum Garching.“**

That’s actually cleaner for landlord-facing purposes than overexplaining MQI. It places you in a recognizable, respectable work context without adding unnecessary complexity.

Summary: Moderate prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it — then the original phrasing is still basically fine:

- **„…arbeite als Senior Engineer am Forschungszentrum Garching.“**

That’s actually cleaner for landlord-facing purposes than overexplaining MQI. It places you in a recognizable, respectable work context without adding unnecessary complexity.

It's Garching forschungszentrum, mqi is there on campus.


I’m going to prepare one actual ImmoScout contact draft in-browser and check what the available image/send path is, so I can give you the screenshot exactly the way we did before.I’m preparing one real draft on the first shortlisted listing and will publish a screenshot with the message visible so you can check formatting before we send anything.I’ve prepared the first draft in the real contact form. I’m publishing the screenshot now so you can inspect the text/formatting before anything gets sent.The screenshot landed under a different filename than I expected, but I found the generated draft images in the browser output directory. I’m publishing the most recent one now.Yes — I prepared the message in the real ImmoScout form and published the screenshot for you to inspect.

Screenshot page:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/ismaning-form-filled/

Direct image:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/ismaning-form-filled/ismaning-form-filled.png

I used the first shortlisted **Ismaning** listing and filled this draft:

> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
>
> meine Frau und ich interessieren uns sehr für Ihre Wohnung in Ismaning und würden sie gerne besichtigen.
>
> Wir sind ein ruhiges, zuverlässiges Paar, Nichtraucher, ohne Kinder und ohne Haustiere und könnten zum 01.07.2026 oder nach Absprache einziehen.
>
> Ich bin promoviert und arbeite als Senior Engineer am Forschungszentrum Garching. Mein Arbeitsvertrag liegt vor; weitere Unterlagen reichen wir bei Interesse gerne nach.
>
> Besichtigungstermine sind für uns kurzfristig möglich.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Gleb Krylov und Anastasia Nikiforova

No message was sent yet. This is just for formatting/content review.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m going to prepare one actual ImmoScout contact draft in-browser and check what the available image/send path is, so I can give you the screenshot exactly the way we did before.I’m preparing one real draft on the first shortlisted listing and will publish a screenshot with the message visible so you can check formatting before we send anything.I’ve prepared the first draft in the real contact form. I’m publishing the screenshot now so you can inspect the text/formatting before anything gets sent.The screenshot landed under a different filename than I expected, but I found the generated draft images in the browser output directory. I’m publishing the most recent one now.Yes — I prepared the message in the real ImmoScout form and published the screenshot for you to inspect.

Screenshot page:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/ismaning-form-filled/

Direct image:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/ismaning-form-filled/ismaning-form-filled.png

I used the first shortlisted **Ismaning** listing and filled this draft:

> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
>
> meine Frau und ich interessieren uns sehr für Ihre Wohnung in Ismaning und würden sie gerne besichtigen.
>
> Wir sind ein ruhiges, zuverlässiges Paar, Nichtraucher, ohne Kinder und ohne Haustiere und könnten zum 01.07.2026 oder nach Absprache einziehen.
>
> Ich bin promoviert und arbeite als Senior Engineer am Forschungszentrum Garching. Mein Arbeitsvertrag liegt vor; weitere Unterlagen reichen wir bei Interesse gerne nach.
>
> Besichtigungstermine sind für uns kurzfristig möglich.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Gleb Krylov und Anastasia Nikiforova

No message was sent yet. This is just for formatting/content review.

bash

bash

Can you prepare a message and send me a screenshot with text visible as before, so I can check formatting?


Yes — the published screenshot came from an older browser-output file. I’m generating a fresh screenshot right now and will publish that one specifically.Fresh screenshot generated. I’m publishing that exact new file now so you don’t have to worry you’re looking at an old one again.The file wasn’t written where I expected, so I’m checking the browser output directory for the actual fresh filename and then I’ll publish that exact one.The Playwright run again wrote over the same old filename, so I can’t honestly give you a guaranteed-fresh screenshot from that path. The reliable part is that the draft is filled in the live form; the screenshot publishing path is the flaky bit. If you want, I can either keep trying with a different screenshot path strategy, or I can paste the exact text here for your approval and then send.The screenshot path is being annoyingly flaky: the browser run is reusing old filenames in `browser-output`, so I can’t truthfully guarantee the image I published is the fresh one from *this* draft.

What I **can** guarantee:
- the draft is filled in the live ImmoScout form for the Ismaning listing
- the exact text currently in it is:

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

meine Frau und ich interessieren uns sehr für Ihre Wohnung in Ismaning und würden sie gerne besichtigen.

Wir sind ein ruhiges, zuverlässiges Paar, Nichtraucher, ohne Kinder und ohne Haustiere und könnten zum 01.07.2026 oder nach Absprache einziehen.

Ich bin promoviert und arbeite als Senior Engineer am Forschungszentrum Garching. Mein Arbeitsvertrag liegt vor; weitere Unterlagen reichen wir bei Interesse gerne nach.

Besichtigungstermine sind für uns kurzfristig möglich.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Gleb Krylov und Anastasia Nikiforova

So at this point I see two honest options:

1. **You approve the text from the pasted version here**, and I proceed to send.
2. **I keep trying to generate a truly fresh screenshot** with a different path/strategy.

I don’t want to pretend the current published image is definitely the fresh one if I can’t verify that.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Yes — the published screenshot came from an older browser-output file. I’m generating a fresh screenshot right now and will publish that one specifically.Fresh screenshot generated. I’m publishing that exact new file now so you don’t have to worry you’re looking at an old one again.The file wasn’t written where I expected, so I’m checking the browser output directory for the actual fresh filename and then I’ll publish that exact one.The Playwright run again wrote over the same old filename, so I can’t honestly give you a guaranteed-fresh screenshot from that path. The reliable part is that the draft is filled in the live form; the screenshot publishing path is the flaky bit. If you want, I can either keep trying with a different screenshot path strategy, or I can paste the exact text here for your approval and then send.The screenshot path is being annoyingly flaky: the browser run is reusing old filenames in `browser-output`, so I can’t truthfully guarantee the image I published is the fresh one from *this* draft.

What I **can** guarantee:
- the draft is filled in the live ImmoScout form for the Ismaning listing
- the exact text currently in it is:

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

meine Frau und ich interessieren uns sehr für Ihre Wohnung in Ismaning und würden sie gerne besichtigen.

Wir sind ein ruhiges, zuverlässiges Paar, Nichtraucher, ohne Kinder und ohne Haustiere und könnten zum 01.07.2026 oder nach Absprache einziehen.

Ich bin promoviert und arbeite als Senior Engineer am Forschungszentrum Garching. Mein Arbeitsvertrag liegt vor; weitere Unterlagen reichen wir bei Interesse gerne nach.

Besichtigungstermine sind für uns kurzfristig möglich.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Gleb Krylov und Anastasia Nikiforova

So at this point I see two honest options:

1. **You approve the text from the pasted version here**, and I proceed to send.
2. **I keep trying to generate a truly fresh screenshot** with a different path/strategy.

I don’t want to pretend the current published image is definitely the fresh one if I can’t verify that.

bash

The image looks old, can you make a new one?


direct ACP timeout after 1830s/1830000ms

Output:
{"event": "session_loaded", "sessionId": "ses_18a53d671ffer3rrL2MWHNxZaM"}
{"event": "timeout", "timeoutSeconds": 1830, "timeoutMs": 1830000}

⚠ Matrix-lite did not receive a final answer for this request. The direct ACP model/tool run failed or was interrupted before it produced a final response. If this was blocked by permissions, I can request same-room native ACP approval or use the privileged broker for root-required commands; please retry the request.

Please try generating it again. I trust your content it's about the formatting and other fields should be filled correctly too


Okay — I’m continuing and this time I’m forcing the screenshot to a **known absolute path in the workspace** so we can publish the exact fresh file instead of depending on the flaky browser-output naming.The direct draft run failed because the message textarea didn’t appear in time. I’m probing the contact-page state first so I can target the right element instead of blindly retrying.I’ve verified the live form is open and the textarea exists. Instead of another full rerun, I’m filling the textarea on the current page state and using the built-in screenshot tool directly from there.The Playwright page state is not persisting cleanly between separate tool calls, so I’m locating where the fresh screenshot file actually got written by the browser run before I try anything else.Found it — the fresh screenshot was written under `/home/matrix-lite/app/`, not the workspace. I’m publishing that exact file now.The exact fresh file is outside the default allowed workspace path, so I need one small permissioned step to publish it with `--allow-external`. I’m doing that now.Got it — I found the actual fresh file and published that exact one.

Fresh screenshot page:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-draft-ismaning-fresh/

Direct image:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-draft-ismaning-fresh/immoscout-draft-ismaning-fresh.png

What was allowed/result:
- the first publish attempt was blocked because the fresh screenshot had been written outside the default workspace path
- I retried with `--allow-external`
- that succeeded, and this link should now point to the **new** screenshot, not the stale old one

Check that one and tell me if the formatting / filled fields look right.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Okay — I’m continuing and this time I’m forcing the screenshot to a **known absolute path in the workspace** so we can publish the exact fresh file instead of depending on the flaky browser-output naming.The direct draft run failed because the message textarea didn’t appear in time. I’m probing the contact-page state first so I can target the right element instead of blindly retrying.I’ve verified the live form is open and the textarea exists. Instead of another full rerun, I’m filling the textarea on the current page state and using the built-in screenshot tool directly from there.The Playwright page state is not persisting cleanly between separate tool calls, so I’m locating where the fresh screenshot file actually got written by the browser run before I try anything else.Found it — the fresh screenshot was written under `/home/matrix-lite/app/`, not the workspace. I’m publishing that exact file now.The exact fresh file is outside the default allowed workspace path, so I need one small permissioned step to publish it with `--allow-external`. I’m doing that now.Got it — I found the actual fresh file and published that exact one.

Fresh screenshot page:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-draft-ismaning-fresh/

Direct image:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-draft-ismaning-fresh/immoscout-draft-ismaning-fresh.png

What was allowed/result:
- the first publish attempt was blocked because the fresh screenshot had been written outside the default workspace path
- I retried with `--allow-external`
- that succeeded, and this link should now point to the **new** screenshot, not the stale old one

Check that one and tell me if the formatting / filled fields look right.

bash

bash

We hit openai 5h limit :( please continue, it should be ok now


Great — you approved the draft, so I’m sending that Ismaning inquiry now, and I’ll also preserve the successful screenshot-generation method (explicit absolute screenshot path + publish with `--allow-external`) as the reliable workaround.The send did **not** complete yet — ImmoScout threw a **captcha/security check** after I clicked **Abschicken**. So the draft is loaded and ready, but it’s currently blocked on that captcha step rather than actually sent. I’m grabbing the captcha image for you now.I have the captcha image captured and I’m publishing it now so you can read it back to me.The message is ready and blocked only by the captcha now.

Captcha image:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-ismaning/
- direct: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-ismaning/immoscout-captcha-ismaning.png

Please send me the captcha text, and I’ll enter it and finish the submission.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Great — you approved the draft, so I’m sending that Ismaning inquiry now, and I’ll also preserve the successful screenshot-generation method (explicit absolute screenshot path + publish with `--allow-external`) as the reliable workaround.The send did **not** complete yet — ImmoScout threw a **captcha/security check** after I clicked **Abschicken**. So the draft is loaded and ready, but it’s currently blocked on that captcha step rather than actually sent. I’m grabbing the captcha image for you now.I have the captcha image captured and I’m publishing it now so you can read it back to me.The message is ready and blocked only by the captcha now.

Captcha image:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-ismaning/
- direct: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-ismaning/immoscout-captcha-ismaning.png

Please send me the captcha text, and I’ll enter it and finish the submission.

bash

Yes it looks great you can send it. And the screenshot is good, somewhat transparent but I can see the text and info. Save the way you created it, earlier we had issues with screenshots


Yes — good point. The useful part wasn’t just “publish the image,” but the whole capture recipe:

- open the **real contact form**
- fill the actual message
- enlarge the textarea substantially
- use a **larger viewport**
- keep the relevant personal/contact fields visible
- screenshot the full form state
- publish that exact file from a known path

That’s the part worth preserving, because it makes the approval step actually readable instead of technically correct but useless.

So the reusable recipe is basically:
**real form state + expanded textarea + big viewport + exact file path + publish exact file**.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Yes — good point. The useful part wasn’t just “publish the image,” but the whole capture recipe:

- open the **real contact form**
- fill the actual message
- enlarge the textarea substantially
- use a **larger viewport**
- keep the relevant personal/contact fields visible
- screenshot the full form state
- publish that exact file from a known path

That’s the part worth preserving, because it makes the approval step actually readable instead of technically correct but useless.

So the reusable recipe is basically:
**real form state + expanded textarea + big viewport + exact file path + publish exact file**.

Not just publishing tips, but the way you framed and opened the window. This time all necessary things were visible


I’ll open the captured captcha image directly and, if I can read it reliably, send the text here.The direct image read is too small to trust by eye, so I’m trying the vision helper as a fallback just for this captcha text.I used the wrong argument name; retrying with the proper file path field.Best guess from the captcha image is:

**24HSM**

Small caveat: the second character is a little uncertain, but **24HSM** is the best reading I got.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’ll open the captured captcha image directly and, if I can read it reliably, send the text here.The direct image read is too small to trust by eye, so I’m trying the vision helper as a fallback just for this captcha text.I used the wrong argument name; retrying with the proper file path field.Best guess from the captcha image is:

**24HSM**

Small caveat: the second character is a little uncertain, but **24HSM** is the best reading I got.


You’re right on both counts:
- sending you the **text** defeats the purpose if what you wanted was the **image**
- and I clearly captured the **wrong image element** before

I’m fixing that now by taking a **full-page screenshot of the actual captcha state** after submit, not trying to crop some guessed `<img>`.I’ve got a full-page screenshot of the current post-submit state. I’m publishing that exact file now; if it still doesn’t show the captcha, then ImmoScout is rendering it in a way Playwright isn’t capturing properly and we’ll know that for sure.Okay — here is the **full-page current state** after clicking **Abschicken**:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning.png

If that still doesn’t show the captcha properly, then the issue is not me cropping the wrong thing anymore — it means ImmoScout’s captcha is likely being rendered in a way this capture flow doesn’t expose cleanly. But at least now we have the exact post-submit page state from this run.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
You’re right on both counts:
- sending you the **text** defeats the purpose if what you wanted was the **image**
- and I clearly captured the **wrong image element** before

I’m fixing that now by taking a **full-page screenshot of the actual captcha state** after submit, not trying to crop some guessed `<img>`.I’ve got a full-page screenshot of the current post-submit state. I’m publishing that exact file now; if it still doesn’t show the captcha, then ImmoScout is rendering it in a way Playwright isn’t capturing properly and we’ll know that for sure.Okay — here is the **full-page current state** after clicking **Abschicken**:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning.png

If that still doesn’t show the captcha properly, then the issue is not me cropping the wrong thing anymore — it means ImmoScout’s captcha is likely being rendered in a way this capture flow doesn’t expose cleanly. But at least now we have the exact post-submit page state from this run.

bash

Haha what's the point of sending me the captcha if you can read it? I meant send the image in matrix. Also your image just says 'powered by' it's not the actual captcha


Got it — I’m entering the captcha text you sent and finishing the Ismaning submission now.Done — I entered **eyh5b** and submitted the form.

Result:
- **sent:** yes
- the tool also still sees some captcha-ish text pattern on the page, but the success detector triggered, so this looks like the message **went through**

So the first Ismaning inquiry should now be submitted.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it — I’m entering the captcha text you sent and finishing the Ismaning submission now.Done — I entered **eyh5b** and submitted the form.

Result:
- **sent:** yes
- the tool also still sees some captcha-ish text pattern on the page, but the success detector triggered, so this looks like the message **went through**

So the first Ismaning inquiry should now be submitted.


Good question — I don’t want to overclaim. I’m checking the exact post-submit state now for an explicit confirmation or whether it actually stayed on the form.The messages page path I tried is dead, so that doesn’t help. I’m going back to the listing contact form and checking whether the textarea is cleared / success banner shown after the prior submission attempt.Not confidently, no.

What I can verify now is:

- the contact form page opens
- the **message textarea is now empty**
- there is **no visible captcha anymore**
- but I also do **not** see a clean explicit success banner like “Nachricht gesendet”

So the state is ambiguous:
- **best-case:** it submitted and the form reset
- **worst-case:** the page refreshed/reset without a proper confirmation

Because I don’t have a reliable sent-messages page from ImmoScout and the confirmation text didn’t show clearly, I should **not overclaim** that it definitely went through.

My honest status is:
- **possibly sent**
- **not conclusively verified**

If you want, the safest thing is:
1. treat this one as **uncertain**
2. move on to the next listing(s)
3. later, if there’s no reply and the listing is still up, we can resend or check again

So: **I cannot truthfully say “yes, definitely sent.”** I can only say the message/captcha cycle was completed and the form is now cleared.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Good question — I don’t want to overclaim. I’m checking the exact post-submit state now for an explicit confirmation or whether it actually stayed on the form.The messages page path I tried is dead, so that doesn’t help. I’m going back to the listing contact form and checking whether the textarea is cleared / success banner shown after the prior submission attempt.Not confidently, no.

What I can verify now is:

- the contact form page opens
- the **message textarea is now empty**
- there is **no visible captcha anymore**
- but I also do **not** see a clean explicit success banner like “Nachricht gesendet”

So the state is ambiguous:
- **best-case:** it submitted and the form reset
- **worst-case:** the page refreshed/reset without a proper confirmation

Because I don’t have a reliable sent-messages page from ImmoScout and the confirmation text didn’t show clearly, I should **not overclaim** that it definitely went through.

My honest status is:
- **possibly sent**
- **not conclusively verified**

If you want, the safest thing is:
1. treat this one as **uncertain**
2. move on to the next listing(s)
3. later, if there’s no reply and the listing is still up, we can resend or check again

So: **I cannot truthfully say “yes, definitely sent.”** I can only say the message/captcha cycle was completed and the form is now cleared.

Are you sure it's sent? Should it be displayed somewhere?


I’m checking whether there’s a direct Matrix image-send path available here; if not, I’ll fall back to the same publish-and-link workaround, but I want to try the proper path first.There’s no direct Matrix image-send tool exposed in this runtime right now — only the publish-image path. I’m redoing the draft/captcha cycle and will send you the fresh image link immediately in this chat so you can open it from Matrix.Done — I repeated the send attempt and published the **new full-page image** you can open from Matrix:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-2/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-2/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-2.png

This is the current post-**Abschicken** state from the repeated attempt. Open that one from Matrix and, if the captcha is visible to you there, send me the text and I’ll enter it.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m checking whether there’s a direct Matrix image-send path available here; if not, I’ll fall back to the same publish-and-link workaround, but I want to try the proper path first.There’s no direct Matrix image-send tool exposed in this runtime right now — only the publish-image path. I’m redoing the draft/captcha cycle and will send you the fresh image link immediately in this chat so you can open it from Matrix.Done — I repeated the send attempt and published the **new full-page image** you can open from Matrix:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-2/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-2/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-2.png

This is the current post-**Abschicken** state from the repeated attempt. Open that one from Matrix and, if the captcha is visible to you there, send me the text and I’ll enter it.

bash

Can you please send it again, same text, send the captcha image to me as as matrix message


Got it — I’m entering **gpwwe** on the fresh attempt and finishing that submission now.I tried **gpwwe** on the fresh attempt.

Result:
- **sent:** no
- **captcha still present:** yes

So that one did **not** go through. The code was likely wrong or the input target was wrong, but in either case the message is **not sent yet** on this attempt.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it — I’m entering **gpwwe** on the fresh attempt and finishing that submission now.I tried **gpwwe** on the fresh attempt.

Result:
- **sent:** no
- **captcha still present:** yes

So that one did **not** go through. The code was likely wrong or the input target was wrong, but in either case the message is **not sent yet** on this attempt.


I’m generating a brand-new full-page captcha-state image again from the current attempt and will send you the new link right away.Here’s the **newest captcha page image**:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-3/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-3/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-3.png

Please open that one and send me the captcha text from **this** attempt.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m generating a brand-new full-page captcha-state image again from the current attempt and will send you the new link right away.Here’s the **newest captcha page image**:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-3/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-3/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-3.png

Please open that one and send me the captcha text from **this** attempt.

bash

Okay please resend the new captcha and retry


Got it — I’m entering **8g8xg** on this newest attempt and checking carefully whether we get an actual success this time.I tried **8g8xg** on the newest attempt.

Result:
- **captcha field was filled**
- **sent:** no
- **captcha still present:** yes

So that one also failed — the message is **still not sent** on this listing.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it — I’m entering **8g8xg** on this newest attempt and checking carefully whether we get an actual success this time.I tried **8g8xg** on the newest attempt.

Result:
- **captcha field was filled**
- **sent:** no
- **captcha still present:** yes

So that one also failed — the message is **still not sent** on this listing.


I’m checking the actual post-submit error state now — specifically whether ImmoScout is rejecting the code itself or whether I’m filling the wrong field.The first inspection run failed on a JavaScript detail while probing the form. I’m retrying with a simpler method that just enumerates the visible inputs and checks which one actually changes the page state.I found the actual issue.

ImmoScout’s captcha field is explicitly:

- **label:** `Zeichen aus dem Bild eingeben`
- **name/id:** `userAnswer`

My earlier retries were **not reliably filling that exact field**. They were hitting generic visible text inputs on the page, which explains why the captcha kept failing even when your code might have been correct.

So the good news is:
- there **is** a proper dedicated captcha input
- we now know exactly which field to target
- the earlier failures were likely **my form-targeting bug**, not necessarily your captcha reading

So if you want, the next try should be much cleaner:
1. I reopen the contact form
2. submit once to get the captcha page
3. send you the current full-page captcha image
4. you give me the text
5. I enter it specifically into **`userAnswer`**
6. submit again

That should be the first actually trustworthy retry.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m checking the actual post-submit error state now — specifically whether ImmoScout is rejecting the code itself or whether I’m filling the wrong field.The first inspection run failed on a JavaScript detail while probing the form. I’m retrying with a simpler method that just enumerates the visible inputs and checks which one actually changes the page state.I found the actual issue.

ImmoScout’s captcha field is explicitly:

- **label:** `Zeichen aus dem Bild eingeben`
- **name/id:** `userAnswer`

My earlier retries were **not reliably filling that exact field**. They were hitting generic visible text inputs on the page, which explains why the captcha kept failing even when your code might have been correct.

So the good news is:
- there **is** a proper dedicated captcha input
- we now know exactly which field to target
- the earlier failures were likely **my form-targeting bug**, not necessarily your captcha reading

So if you want, the next try should be much cleaner:
1. I reopen the contact form
2. submit once to get the captcha page
3. send you the current full-page captcha image
4. you give me the text
5. I enter it specifically into **`userAnswer`**
6. submit again

That should be the first actually trustworthy retry.

Hmm why? It used to work. Any errors? Please try again


Okay — doing it the clean way now: reopen, trigger captcha, capture the full page, and next round I’ll fill the **actual `userAnswer` field** only.Clean retry prepared, and this time I confirmed the actual captcha field exists (`userAnswer`).

Newest image:
- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-4/
- direct: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-4/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-4.png

Please send me the captcha text from **this** image, and I’ll enter it specifically into the real captcha field.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Okay — doing it the clean way now: reopen, trigger captcha, capture the full page, and next round I’ll fill the **actual `userAnswer` field** only.Clean retry prepared, and this time I confirmed the actual captcha field exists (`userAnswer`).

Newest image:
- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-4/
- direct: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-4/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-4.png

Please send me the captcha text from **this** image, and I’ll enter it specifically into the real captcha field.

bash


Got it — I’m entering **4g7kb** into the actual `userAnswer` field now and checking for a real success state afterward.The exact-field retry timed out before it returned a clean result, so I don’t want to claim success yet.

Most likely what happened is:
- login + load + first submit + captcha + second submit took too long for the tool timeout

So current honest status:
- I **did** switch to the correct `userAnswer` field this time
- but I **don’t yet have a trustworthy success/failure result** from that run

If you want, I can immediately do one more shorter follow-up check whose only job is:
- reopen the listing
- see whether the textarea is empty / captcha still present / any success text shows up

That’s the fastest way to verify what just happened.The exact-field retry timed out before it returned a clean result, so I don’t want to claim success yet.

Most likely what happened is:
- login + load + first submit + captcha + second submit took too long for the tool timeout

So current honest status:
- I **did** switch to the correct `userAnswer` field this time
- but I **don’t yet have a trustworthy success/failure result** from that run

If you want, I can immediately do one more shorter follow-up check whose only job is:
- reopen the listing
- see whether the textarea is empty / captcha still present / any success text shows up

That’s the fastest way to verify what just happened.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it — I’m entering **4g7kb** into the actual `userAnswer` field now and checking for a real success state afterward.The exact-field retry timed out before it returned a clean result, so I don’t want to claim success yet.

Most likely what happened is:
- login + load + first submit + captcha + second submit took too long for the tool timeout

So current honest status:
- I **did** switch to the correct `userAnswer` field this time
- but I **don’t yet have a trustworthy success/failure result** from that run

If you want, I can immediately do one more shorter follow-up check whose only job is:
- reopen the listing
- see whether the textarea is empty / captcha still present / any success text shows up

That’s the fastest way to verify what just happened.The exact-field retry timed out before it returned a clean result, so I don’t want to claim success yet.

Most likely what happened is:
- login + load + first submit + captcha + second submit took too long for the tool timeout

So current honest status:
- I **did** switch to the correct `userAnswer` field this time
- but I **don’t yet have a trustworthy success/failure result** from that run

If you want, I can immediately do one more shorter follow-up check whose only job is:
- reopen the listing
- see whether the textarea is empty / captcha still present / any success text shows up

That’s the fastest way to verify what just happened.


I’m doing the short follow-up verification now: just reopen the listing and check whether the form is cleared, whether the captcha is still present, and whether any success text appears.Here’s the best verification I can give:

- the form opens
- the **message textarea is now empty**
- the **captcha field is gone**
- but there is still **no explicit success banner/text** visible

So we’re back in the same ambiguous state as before:
- **best-case:** it submitted successfully and the form reset
- **worst-case:** the form reset without showing confirmation

Given that:
- the message box is empty
- and the captcha field is no longer present

I think this is **more likely sent than not**, but I still can’t claim it with absolute certainty because ImmoScout isn’t giving us a clean confirmation page or accessible sent-messages log.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m doing the short follow-up verification now: just reopen the listing and check whether the form is cleared, whether the captcha is still present, and whether any success text appears.Here’s the best verification I can give:

- the form opens
- the **message textarea is now empty**
- the **captcha field is gone**
- but there is still **no explicit success banner/text** visible

So we’re back in the same ambiguous state as before:
- **best-case:** it submitted successfully and the form reset
- **worst-case:** the form reset without showing confirmation

Given that:
- the message box is empty
- and the captcha field is no longer present

I think this is **more likely sent than not**, but I still can’t claim it with absolute certainty because ImmoScout isn’t giving us a clean confirmation page or accessible sent-messages log.


I think you’re probably right, but let me verify from the logged-in site menu instead of guessing.I found the “zu meinem Bereich” entry, so I’m checking that account area directly for a messages/postbox section.You were right — there is a real Nachrichten area. I found the correct path in your account dashboard, so I’m checking that now instead of guessing from the form state.Good catch — there is a real inbox after all. I’m doing one more precise check for the exact **Ismaning listing / expose ID** to see whether the outgoing message appears there.I checked the real **Nachrichten** area, and I do **not** see the new Ismaning listing or expose ID there.

So this is now much clearer:

- there **is** a real inbox/messages area
- your older conversations are visible there
- the new **Ismaning** contact does **not** appear there right now

So I no longer think we should treat it as “probably sent.”
At this point, the safest conclusion is:

**it did not go through successfully yet.**

The likely remaining blocker is still the captcha/send step.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I think you’re probably right, but let me verify from the logged-in site menu instead of guessing.I found the “zu meinem Bereich” entry, so I’m checking that account area directly for a messages/postbox section.You were right — there is a real Nachrichten area. I found the correct path in your account dashboard, so I’m checking that now instead of guessing from the form state.Good catch — there is a real inbox after all. I’m doing one more precise check for the exact **Ismaning listing / expose ID** to see whether the outgoing message appears there.I checked the real **Nachrichten** area, and I do **not** see the new Ismaning listing or expose ID there.

So this is now much clearer:

- there **is** a real inbox/messages area
- your older conversations are visible there
- the new **Ismaning** contact does **not** appear there right now

So I no longer think we should treat it as “probably sent.”
At this point, the safest conclusion is:

**it did not go through successfully yet.**

The likely remaining blocker is still the captcha/send step.

I think I would see the sent message in my inbox


I’m retrying from scratch again now and will send you a fresh captcha-page image from this new attempt.Here is the fresh captcha page from the new attempt:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-5/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-5/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-5.png

Please send me the captcha text from **this** one.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m retrying from scratch again now and will send you a fresh captcha-page image from this new attempt.Here is the fresh captcha page from the new attempt:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-5/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-5/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-5.png

Please send me the captcha text from **this** one.

bash


Got it — I’m entering **hxk6f** into the actual captcha field on this newest attempt and then I’ll verify directly in the inbox whether it finally appeared.The full submit-plus-inbox verification timed out again, so I’m splitting it: first a shorter send attempt only, then a separate inbox check.The login flow itself is being flaky now, so I’m making the send attempt more robust: first detect whether the session is already logged in, and only do the full SSO steps if needed.The robust retry timed out again before I got a clean result back.

So current status is:

- I **did** try the clean path again
- I still don’t have a trustworthy success/failure signal from this newest run
- the main problem now is the **automation flow itself is timing out**, not just the captcha logic

At this point, the practical options are:

1. **Keep pushing this one manually through the browser flow**
   - possible, but brittle and slow

2. **Move to the next listing for now**
   - lower frustration
   - we can come back to this one later

3. **You manually submit this one in-browser yourself now that the draft/captcha workflow is understood**, and I handle the next listings

Given how many rounds this one has already eaten, I’d honestly lean toward **2 or 3** unless you really want to force this exact listing through right now.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it — I’m entering **hxk6f** into the actual captcha field on this newest attempt and then I’ll verify directly in the inbox whether it finally appeared.The full submit-plus-inbox verification timed out again, so I’m splitting it: first a shorter send attempt only, then a separate inbox check.The login flow itself is being flaky now, so I’m making the send attempt more robust: first detect whether the session is already logged in, and only do the full SSO steps if needed.The robust retry timed out again before I got a clean result back.

So current status is:

- I **did** try the clean path again
- I still don’t have a trustworthy success/failure signal from this newest run
- the main problem now is the **automation flow itself is timing out**, not just the captcha logic

At this point, the practical options are:

1. **Keep pushing this one manually through the browser flow**
   - possible, but brittle and slow

2. **Move to the next listing for now**
   - lower frustration
   - we can come back to this one later

3. **You manually submit this one in-browser yourself now that the draft/captcha workflow is understood**, and I handle the next listings

Given how many rounds this one has already eaten, I’d honestly lean toward **2 or 3** unless you really want to force this exact listing through right now.


I think I finally see one likely bug on my side: the form’s submit button shows a countdown like **“Abschicken in 7 s”**. I may have been clicking again too early after entering the captcha. I’m going to regenerate a fresh captcha page, and on the next submission I’ll wait out that timer before clicking.New attempt ready.

Captcha page:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-6/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-6/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-6.png

Please send me the captcha text from **this** image, and on the next step I’ll:
- fill the actual `userAnswer` field
- **wait out the countdown**
- then click submit again.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I think I finally see one likely bug on my side: the form’s submit button shows a countdown like **“Abschicken in 7 s”**. I may have been clicking again too early after entering the captcha. I’m going to regenerate a fresh captcha page, and on the next submission I’ll wait out that timer before clicking.New attempt ready.

Captcha page:
- https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-6/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-6/immoscout-captcha-page-ismaning-6.png

Please send me the captcha text from **this** image, and on the next step I’ll:
- fill the actual `userAnswer` field
- **wait out the countdown**
- then click submit again.

bash

It used to work before and now it doesn't, so of course we do 1 until it works again


Got it — I’m entering **55g8g** into the real captcha field, waiting out the submit countdown this time, and then I’ll check the inbox again.The full run timed out again, so I’m doing the short, decisive check only: open the inbox and see whether the Ismaning listing is there now.I checked the inbox again after the latest attempt.

Result:
- **the Ismaning listing still does not appear in your Nachrichten inbox**

So this latest attempt also **did not make it through**.

At this point, I think we can say with confidence:
- the automation is reaching the contact form
- the draft is being filled
- the captcha step is still failing in practice
- and **no message is landing in the actual inbox yet**.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it — I’m entering **55g8g** into the real captcha field, waiting out the submit countdown this time, and then I’ll check the inbox again.The full run timed out again, so I’m doing the short, decisive check only: open the inbox and see whether the Ismaning listing is there now.I checked the inbox again after the latest attempt.

Result:
- **the Ismaning listing still does not appear in your Nachrichten inbox**

So this latest attempt also **did not make it through**.

At this point, I think we can say with confidence:
- the automation is reaching the contact form
- the draft is being filled
- the captcha step is still failing in practice
- and **no message is landing in the actual inbox yet**.


Most likely a combination of **their flow getting stricter** and **our automation being too brittle**.

What changed on our side / their side:

- I was initially filling the **wrong input**
  - not the real `userAnswer` captcha field
  - that alone explains some failed retries

- The submit flow seems to have a **timer/countdown**
  - `Abschicken in 7 s`
  - clicking too early may invalidate the attempt or do nothing useful

- The site flow is now more **stateful / timing-sensitive**
  - login
  - open contact form
  - first submit
  - captcha appears
  - second submit
  - and if any page state shifts, Playwright can lose the right element or hit a stale state

- ImmoScout may also have changed the anti-abuse logic
  - not necessarily a visible UI change
  - but enough that repeated automated attempts are less forgiving than before

- Our observability is weak
  - no clean confirmation banner
  - messages inbox is separate and not instantly obvious
  - so even when something *might* work, verifying it is annoying

So the regression is probably **not one single big break**.
It’s more like:
- a small site behavior change
- plus our old automation being too optimistic / fragile
- plus poor confirmation signals

The main concrete bug I found was real:
- we were **not reliably targeting the actual captcha field** at first

But even after fixing that, the flow is still fragile enough that I suspect:
- countdown timing
- dynamic page state
- and/or stricter anti-automation behavior

So my diagnosis is:

**old workflow relied on a happy-path UI**
**current UI needs a more deliberate state machine**

Meaning we probably need to harden it with:
- exact field targeting
- explicit wait for countdown completion
- better post-submit confirmation checks
- maybe fewer repeated retries per listing
- maybe a different interaction pattern for the captcha step

So yes, it’s a real regression, but not a mysterious one. It looks like a classic case of:
**a previously “good enough” browser script no longer being robust enough for the current site behavior.**

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Most likely a combination of **their flow getting stricter** and **our automation being too brittle**.

What changed on our side / their side:

- I was initially filling the **wrong input**
  - not the real `userAnswer` captcha field
  - that alone explains some failed retries

- The submit flow seems to have a **timer/countdown**
  - `Abschicken in 7 s`
  - clicking too early may invalidate the attempt or do nothing useful

- The site flow is now more **stateful / timing-sensitive**
  - login
  - open contact form
  - first submit
  - captcha appears
  - second submit
  - and if any page state shifts, Playwright can lose the right element or hit a stale state

- ImmoScout may also have changed the anti-abuse logic
  - not necessarily a visible UI change
  - but enough that repeated automated attempts are less forgiving than before

- Our observability is weak
  - no clean confirmation banner
  - messages inbox is separate and not instantly obvious
  - so even when something *might* work, verifying it is annoying

So the regression is probably **not one single big break**.
It’s more like:
- a small site behavior change
- plus our old automation being too optimistic / fragile
- plus poor confirmation signals

The main concrete bug I found was real:
- we were **not reliably targeting the actual captcha field** at first

But even after fixing that, the flow is still fragile enough that I suspect:
- countdown timing
- dynamic page state
- and/or stricter anti-automation behavior

So my diagnosis is:

**old workflow relied on a happy-path UI**
**current UI needs a more deliberate state machine**

Meaning we probably need to harden it with:
- exact field targeting
- explicit wait for countdown completion
- better post-submit confirmation checks
- maybe fewer repeated retries per listing
- maybe a different interaction pattern for the captcha step

So yes, it’s a real regression, but not a mysterious one. It looks like a classic case of:
**a previously “good enough” browser script no longer being robust enough for the current site behavior.**


Yeah, fair — if it worked **two weeks ago**, then a major site-side redesign is less likely.

That pushes the diagnosis more toward:
- **our automation path regressed**
- or we’re now interacting with it in a slightly worse sequence than before
- or some tiny detail changed and our brittle flow stopped tolerating it

So you’re right to push back on the “maybe they changed everything” story.
More likely it’s:
- wrong field targeting at first
- bad timing around the countdown
- flaky page-state persistence
- weak confirmation checks
- and possibly us reloading/reopening too much instead of staying in one clean stateful browser session

In other words:
**probably not their monopoly site suddenly becoming radically different — more likely our workflow became sloppier than the older one.**

Which is actually good news, because it means it should be fixable.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Yeah, fair — if it worked **two weeks ago**, then a major site-side redesign is less likely.

That pushes the diagnosis more toward:
- **our automation path regressed**
- or we’re now interacting with it in a slightly worse sequence than before
- or some tiny detail changed and our brittle flow stopped tolerating it

So you’re right to push back on the “maybe they changed everything” story.
More likely it’s:
- wrong field targeting at first
- bad timing around the countdown
- flaky page-state persistence
- weak confirmation checks
- and possibly us reloading/reopening too much instead of staying in one clean stateful browser session

In other words:
**probably not their monopoly site suddenly becoming radically different — more likely our workflow became sloppier than the older one.**

Which is actually good news, because it means it should be fixable.

It was 2 weeks ago, it's a German monopoly website, they won't charge anything


Okay — careful mode:
1. open the listing cleanly
2. fill the draft once
3. click submit once
4. capture the resulting captcha page once
5. you read it
6. I enter it into the exact `userAnswer` field

No extra guessing, no duplicate submits.Careful-mode captcha page is ready:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-careful/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-careful/immoscout-captcha-careful.png

This is the clean run where:
- the form was opened once
- the draft was filled once
- submit was clicked once
- the captcha field was confirmed present

Send me the captcha text from **this** one, and I’ll do the next step separately and carefully.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Okay — careful mode:
1. open the listing cleanly
2. fill the draft once
3. click submit once
4. capture the resulting captcha page once
5. you read it
6. I enter it into the exact `userAnswer` field

No extra guessing, no duplicate submits.Careful-mode captcha page is ready:

- page: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-careful/
- direct image: https://pages.nvdll.org/images/immoscout-captcha-careful/immoscout-captcha-careful.png

This is the clean run where:
- the form was opened once
- the draft was filled once
- submit was clicked once
- the captcha field was confirmed present

Send me the captcha text from **this** one, and I’ll do the next step separately and carefully.

bash


Got it — I’m entering **mbwmd** into the actual `userAnswer` field from the clean run, waiting for the submit countdown to finish, and then I’ll verify in the inbox again.The full submit-plus-inbox verification timed out again, so I’m doing the short decisive inbox check only.I checked the inbox again after the **mbwmd** careful run.

Result:
- **the Ismaning listing still does not appear in your Nachrichten inbox**

So that attempt also did **not** land.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
Got it — I’m entering **mbwmd** into the actual `userAnswer` field from the clean run, waiting for the submit countdown to finish, and then I’ll verify in the inbox again.The full submit-plus-inbox verification timed out again, so I’m doing the short decisive inbox check only.I checked the inbox again after the **mbwmd** careful run.

Result:
- **the Ismaning listing still does not appear in your Nachrichten inbox**

So that attempt also did **not** land.


I’m saving two things so we can resume cleanly tomorrow:
1. the current **ImmoScout troubleshooting/workflow lessons**
2. the current **shortlist with filters and status**.Saved.

I updated:
- `/home/matrix-lite/workspace/persistent-chat/immoscout24-workflow.md`
- `/home/matrix-lite/workspace/persistent-chat/immoscout24-shortlist-2026-06-05.md`

What’s in there now:
- the **June 2026 regression notes**
- the **real captcha field name** (`userAnswer`)
- the **countdown / submit timing issue**
- the **reliable screenshot recipe**
- the note that **Nachrichten** is the actual verification path
- the current **shortlist + filters + priorities**
- the fact that the **Ismaning draft was prepared but not inbox-confirmed as sent**

So tomorrow we won’t have to rediscover any of this.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m saving two things so we can resume cleanly tomorrow:
1. the current **ImmoScout troubleshooting/workflow lessons**
2. the current **shortlist with filters and status**.Saved.

I updated:
- `/home/matrix-lite/workspace/persistent-chat/immoscout24-workflow.md`
- `/home/matrix-lite/workspace/persistent-chat/immoscout24-shortlist-2026-06-05.md`

What’s in there now:
- the **June 2026 regression notes**
- the **real captcha field name** (`userAnswer`)
- the **countdown / submit timing issue**
- the **reliable screenshot recipe**
- the note that **Nachrichten** is the actual verification path
- the current **shortlist + filters + priorities**
- the fact that the **Ismaning draft was prepared but not inbox-confirmed as sent**

So tomorrow we won’t have to rediscover any of this.

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edit

Okay, please just save any changes to immoscout workflow and the links to our shortlist, we retry tomorrow, I'm tired of this


I’m going to verify the helper and the shared Overleaf project from the actual environment, without touching the root credential files unless that turns out to be necessary.The helper exists, but the current user can’t use it directly:
- `overleaf-agent` is installed at `/usr/local/bin/overleaf-agent`
- running it hits `sudo: a password is required`
- even checking the `/root/...credentials.txt` paths from this session gets permission denied

Since you explicitly asked me to check this, I’m using the privileged broker for one exact root-side verification command now.The privileged check was allowed and the command succeeded, but the captured output was dominated by the contents of `/main.tex`, so I’m doing one shorter root check just for the project and document listing so I can report it cleanly.Yep — I checked it properly.

What was allowed:
- I used the privileged broker because the helper and credentials live behind root-owned config/files.
- The root-side verification command succeeded.

What I confirmed:
- helper exists and works
- project is there:
  - **`6a23d18fcc07f9551243d01d` — `Shared Agent Draft`**
- docs currently in it:
  - `/main.tex`
  - `/sample.bib`
  - `/agent-note.tex`

So the setup is real and usable.

Small note:
- the helper prints some Overleaf service startup/shutdown noise around the actual results, but the core functionality worked fine.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m going to verify the helper and the shared Overleaf project from the actual environment, without touching the root credential files unless that turns out to be necessary.The helper exists, but the current user can’t use it directly:
- `overleaf-agent` is installed at `/usr/local/bin/overleaf-agent`
- running it hits `sudo: a password is required`
- even checking the `/root/...credentials.txt` paths from this session gets permission denied

Since you explicitly asked me to check this, I’m using the privileged broker for one exact root-side verification command now.The privileged check was allowed and the command succeeded, but the captured output was dominated by the contents of `/main.tex`, so I’m doing one shorter root check just for the project and document listing so I can report it cleanly.Yep — I checked it properly.

What was allowed:
- I used the privileged broker because the helper and credentials live behind root-owned config/files.
- The root-side verification command succeeded.

What I confirmed:
- helper exists and works
- project is there:
  - **`6a23d18fcc07f9551243d01d` — `Shared Agent Draft`**
- docs currently in it:
  - `/main.tex`
  - `/sample.bib`
  - `/agent-note.tex`

So the setup is real and usable.

Small note:
- the helper prints some Overleaf service startup/shutdown noise around the actual results, but the core functionality worked fine.

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Good morning. We added latex capabilities so we can edit things together. Please check the following

Created Overleaf app accounts:

     - Human/admin: gleb@overleaf.local
     - Agent: agent@overleaf.local

     Credentials are stored in:

     - /root/overleaf-app-credentials.txt
     - /root/overleaf-agent-credentials.txt

     Created shared project:

     - Name: Shared Agent Draft
     - URL: https://overleaf.nvdll.org/project/6a23d18fcc07f9551243d01d
     - Agent has collaborator access.

     To avoid Playwright, I added a local helper:
     overleaf-agent list-projects
     overleaf-agent list-docs PROJECT_ID
     overleaf-agent read-doc PROJECT_ID /main.tex
     printf "..." | overleaf-agent upsert-doc PROJECT_ID /path.tex -


I’m going to check the helper’s exact capabilities first so I know whether I can verify compilation directly or only push the `.tex`/`.bib` and then inspect the project state.I’m going to push the resume into the shared Overleaf project the simple way first: replace `/main.tex` with your saved startup CV, add the matching bibliography, and upload the missing class/style files the resume depends on.The first root-side upload failed on a temp-path issue, not on Overleaf itself. I’m retrying with a known-good temp directory under `/home/matrix-lite/tmp/`.The helper appears to be reading files from a different filesystem view than the shell that copied them. I’m doing one quick root-side path sanity check before trying another upload route.I found the copied files, so the remaining issue is path translation for the helper itself. I’m checking whether it expects the workspace under a different mount path like `/workspace/...`.I found the copied files successfully, so the remaining problem is almost certainly just a **path translation issue** for the helper itself — i.e. it may not see the workspace under `/home/matrix-lite/...` and may expect something like `/workspace/...`.

I started one exact root-side check for that alternate mount path, but it got deferred to the next turn for approval.

So current state:
- the Overleaf helper works
- the shared project exists
- the resume files are ready
- the blocker is now **just** finding the source-file path format the helper can actually read

Next turn I can continue from there and try the alternate `/workspace/...` path immediately.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m going to check the helper’s exact capabilities first so I know whether I can verify compilation directly or only push the `.tex`/`.bib` and then inspect the project state.I’m going to push the resume into the shared Overleaf project the simple way first: replace `/main.tex` with your saved startup CV, add the matching bibliography, and upload the missing class/style files the resume depends on.The first root-side upload failed on a temp-path issue, not on Overleaf itself. I’m retrying with a known-good temp directory under `/home/matrix-lite/tmp/`.The helper appears to be reading files from a different filesystem view than the shell that copied them. I’m doing one quick root-side path sanity check before trying another upload route.I found the copied files, so the remaining issue is path translation for the helper itself. I’m checking whether it expects the workspace under a different mount path like `/workspace/...`.I found the copied files successfully, so the remaining problem is almost certainly just a **path translation issue** for the helper itself — i.e. it may not see the workspace under `/home/matrix-lite/...` and may expect something like `/workspace/...`.

I started one exact root-side check for that alternate mount path, but it got deferred to the next turn for approval.

So current state:
- the Overleaf helper works
- the shared project exists
- the resume files are ready
- the blocker is now **just** finding the source-file path format the helper can actually read

Next turn I can continue from there and try the alternate `/workspace/...` path immediately.

Fixed the noise. Can you try to paste my resume in there (you have it) and see if it compiles?


I’m continuing the Overleaf check from where it stopped: first confirm the helper’s filesystem view, then retry the upload using the path style it actually expects.The root-side check is waiting on one specific approval, so while that’s pending I’m checking the same alternate path from the normal shell first — if it exists there too, we may not need another privileged round just to confirm the mount.`/workspace` doesn’t exist from the normal shell, so the helper is probably using some other translated path or wrapper behavior. I’m inspecting the launcher now so I can see what file path model it expects before we poke blindly again.I found the key detail: `overleaf-agent` is a Docker wrapper. It runs **inside the `overleaf` container**, so the source file path for `upsert-doc` has to exist **inside the container**, not just on the host.

I’m going to use the root broker one more time to:
1. `docker cp` the resume files into the container
2. run `overleaf-agent upsert-doc ...` against those in-container paths
3. list the docs afterward to confirm they landed.Good news: I **did** get your startup resume into the shared Overleaf project.

What was allowed and what worked:
- I used the root-side path because `overleaf-agent` runs **inside the Overleaf Docker container**
- The first upload attempts failed because I was giving it **host paths**
- I fixed that by `docker cp`-ing the files into the container first, then running `overleaf-agent upsert-doc ...`

What is now in the project:
- `/main.tex` → replaced with your `cv-startup.tex`
- `/mine_bold.bib` → uploaded
- `/myIEEE.bst` → uploaded
- `/res.cls` → uploaded

I also re-listed the project docs afterward, and they are now present there.

Important honesty note:
- I have **not yet verified actual compilation success**
- the helper currently exposes:
  - `list-projects`
  - `list-docs`
  - `read-doc`
  - `upsert-doc`
- but **not** a compile/status/log command

So current state is:

- **resume source uploaded successfully**
- **required local support files uploaded successfully**
- **compilation status not yet confirmed**

If you want, next I can try one of two things:
1. inspect the Overleaf project via browser and look for compile errors/status, or
2. upload the **academic CV** too, either into `/agent-note.tex` or by swapping `/main.tex` later.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m continuing the Overleaf check from where it stopped: first confirm the helper’s filesystem view, then retry the upload using the path style it actually expects.The root-side check is waiting on one specific approval, so while that’s pending I’m checking the same alternate path from the normal shell first — if it exists there too, we may not need another privileged round just to confirm the mount.`/workspace` doesn’t exist from the normal shell, so the helper is probably using some other translated path or wrapper behavior. I’m inspecting the launcher now so I can see what file path model it expects before we poke blindly again.I found the key detail: `overleaf-agent` is a Docker wrapper. It runs **inside the `overleaf` container**, so the source file path for `upsert-doc` has to exist **inside the container**, not just on the host.

I’m going to use the root broker one more time to:
1. `docker cp` the resume files into the container
2. run `overleaf-agent upsert-doc ...` against those in-container paths
3. list the docs afterward to confirm they landed.Good news: I **did** get your startup resume into the shared Overleaf project.

What was allowed and what worked:
- I used the root-side path because `overleaf-agent` runs **inside the Overleaf Docker container**
- The first upload attempts failed because I was giving it **host paths**
- I fixed that by `docker cp`-ing the files into the container first, then running `overleaf-agent upsert-doc ...`

What is now in the project:
- `/main.tex` → replaced with your `cv-startup.tex`
- `/mine_bold.bib` → uploaded
- `/myIEEE.bst` → uploaded
- `/res.cls` → uploaded

I also re-listed the project docs afterward, and they are now present there.

Important honesty note:
- I have **not yet verified actual compilation success**
- the helper currently exposes:
  - `list-projects`
  - `list-docs`
  - `read-doc`
  - `upsert-doc`
- but **not** a compile/status/log command

So current state is:

- **resume source uploaded successfully**
- **required local support files uploaded successfully**
- **compilation status not yet confirmed**

If you want, next I can try one of two things:
1. inspect the Overleaf project via browser and look for compile errors/status, or
2. upload the **academic CV** too, either into `/agent-note.tex` or by swapping `/main.tex` later.

bash


I’m first saving the Overleaf/LaTeX workflow notes in the workspace so we don’t lose the useful bits from today, then I’ll verify the FacilMap helper/access path.The helper is present enough to invoke, but like `overleaf-agent` it immediately hits `sudo`, so I’m treating it as another root-side wrapper rather than a normal user tool. I’m checking the helper path cleanly first, then I’ll verify access via one exact privileged command.Saved the useful LaTeX/Overleaf workflow notes, and I checked FacilMap access.

Saved notes:
- `/home/matrix-lite/workspace/persistent-chat/research-profile/overleaf-workflow-notes.md`

What’s in there:
- shared project ID/URL
- helper command list
- the crucial Docker/container path detail for `overleaf-agent`
- the working upload method (`docker cp` into container, then `overleaf-agent upsert-doc`)
- current uploaded files in the shared project
- note that compile status is **not yet verified** because there’s no compile/log helper exposed

FacilMap access check:
- `facilmap-agent` exists at `/usr/local/bin/facilmap-agent`
- it’s a wrapper that reads:
  - `/root/facilmap-credentials.txt`
- root-side helper check was allowed and succeeded

Verified:
- `facilmap-agent status` → **200**
- `facilmap-agent open-url` → `https://facilmap.nvdll.org/`
- `facilmap-agent credentials-path` → `/root/facilmap-credentials.txt`
- `facilmap-agent get /` returned the actual FacilMap app HTML

So yes:
- **FacilMap is up**
- **the helper works**
- **I can reach the app through the helper**
- and we should be able to use it for landmarks next

If you want, next message give me:
- a few places you want marked around Taormina / Etna / wherever
and I’ll see what the current helper can and can’t do toward actually manipulating a map, not just checking reachability.

Summary: High prompt-cache reuse.

Output:
I’m first saving the Overleaf/LaTeX workflow notes in the workspace so we don’t lose the useful bits from today, then I’ll verify the FacilMap helper/access path.The helper is present enough to invoke, but like `overleaf-agent` it immediately hits `sudo`, so I’m treating it as another root-side wrapper rather than a normal user tool. I’m checking the helper path cleanly first, then I’ll verify access via one exact privileged command.Saved the useful LaTeX/Overleaf workflow notes, and I checked FacilMap access.

Saved notes:
- `/home/matrix-lite/workspace/persistent-chat/research-profile/overleaf-workflow-notes.md`

What’s in there:
- shared project ID/URL
- helper command list
- the crucial Docker/container path detail for `overleaf-agent`
- the working upload method (`docker cp` into container, then `overleaf-agent upsert-doc`)
- current uploaded files in the shared project
- note that compile status is **not yet verified** because there’s no compile/log helper exposed

FacilMap access check:
- `facilmap-agent` exists at `/usr/local/bin/facilmap-agent`
- it’s a wrapper that reads:
  - `/root/facilmap-credentials.txt`
- root-side helper check was allowed and succeeded

Verified:
- `facilmap-agent status` → **200**
- `facilmap-agent open-url` → `https://facilmap.nvdll.org/`
- `facilmap-agent credentials-path` → `/root/facilmap-credentials.txt`
- `facilmap-agent get /` returned the actual FacilMap app HTML

So yes:
- **FacilMap is up**
- **the helper works**
- **I can reach the app through the helper**
- and we should be able to use it for landmarks next

If you want, next message give me:
- a few places you want marked around Taormina / Etna / wherever
and I’ll see what the current helper can and can’t do toward actually manipulating a map, not just checking reachability.

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Thanks a lot, we return to this later, please save any useful info on latex workflow for the future sessions.

While I'm still on vacation, I want to explore some landmarks around. You helped me a lot with Taormina but now we installed facilmap so we (you) can just mark them on the map so I can see.
Please check your access

Installed FacilMap at:
                                                                               - https://facilmap.nvdll.org/                                                                                Deployment:

     - Compose file: /opt/facilmap/docker-compose.yml
     - Cache/data:                                                               - /opt/facilmap/cache                                                     - /opt/facilmap/data/mariadb
     - Systemd service: facilmap.service
     - Containers:
       - facilmap
       - facilmap-mariadb

     Security/access:

     - Behind Caddy basic auth.
     - Credentials stored in /root/facilmap-credentials.txt
     - Runtime secrets in /root/facilmap.env

     Agent access:

     - FacilMap does not use normal app user accounts; collaboration is
     controlled by map URLs/IDs.
     - Agent can use the same Caddy-protected access.
     - Added helper:
     facilmap-agent status
     facilmap-agent open-url
     facilmap-agent get /PATH
     facilmap-agent credentials-path

There are helpers but if they are too bounded feel free to use credentials from /root