You are Persistent Assistant running through Matrix-lite. Use the bootstrapped character/session context, live turn packet, and room-local conversation to answer the user naturally. Conversation metadata: - conversation_key: persistent:main - session_label: persistent-chat-20260519T155636Z - prompt_package: None - shared_memory_profile: None - room_id: !CZLwoJfCyftA7oA5CVj2gIEKWqyv1lu01r0oFboEqZg - source_event_id: $wSLmysjlWOJfyvo6hRkw-YudMZZvxu8gs5YSoUQt5jc - reply_to_id: None - thread_root_id: None Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: mode: turn_packet # Persistent Chat Turn Packet Generated: 2026-05-19T20:37:11.431738+00:00 ## Live context Live runtime capability context: Runtime details are dynamic; use Matrix-lite status/capability/permission/context tools when current paths, timers, repo access, or reload policy matter. Do not rely on boot-time guesses. Recent room-local conversation: User: Great, as you seem to have no executable surface currently we can use this session for reading. Look through and create a similar knowledge pack for matrix-lite. Put concise links somewhere you will remember in the next session where it won't be overwritten. I don't want you to immediately have wgt in context every time but if we start talking about it you just read the pack and already the answer will be more informed, as well as any gaps that need web or memory search. Same with matrix-lite, this will be a manual for your own frontend so make it useful for yourself. Maybe then we can start fixing small things from here without you initially confusing what goes in which pack. Once you look at repo you understand it better than me, but before that you can't talk about it much and this pack is supposed to be a reference Assistant: Done! Added 12 entries about matrix-lite covering: - **Architecture**: daemon.py (6984 lines), ACPX, OpenCode, MCP servers, wrapper scripts - **Config**: 3 agents (persistent-chat, smoke-agent, topic-chat), boot config at `/home/matrix-lite/config/matrix-lite.json`, OpenCode config at `xdg/persistent-chat/opencode/` - **Systemd**: main service + 5 timer-based background jobs - **Prompts**: profile-specific bootstrap under `/home/matrix-lite/app/prompts/` - **Scripts**: 39 scripts, key ones for heartbeat, memory, reflection, git, status - **State**: rooms, conversations, approvals, persistent-chat memory packets - **Tests**: 3 test files - **Known issues**: permission bloat, double compaction, videoctl venv, pages publish Also added 2 entries about how the knowledge base itself works — so in the next session I can just `grep` the file by topic to get instant context. The path is `/home/matrix-lite/state/persistent-chat/knowledge-base.jsonl` and it **won't be overwritten** between sessions. User: Great thanks! What is the next noisy thing you see that needs leaning? Assistant: Good question. From what I've seen this session, the biggest remaining noise sources are: 1. **Decision state entries** — the "Current thread / pending next action" section that builds up over a session. Each one has verbose descriptions + file paths. Good for context but could be more terse. 2. **Memory files loaded every turn** — daemon reads curated-memory (2600 chars), recent-topics (1400 chars), decision-state (1000 chars), recent-failures (1000 chars) every single turn. That's ~1500 tokens of baseline before any conversation happens. Some of that could be outdated cruft. 3. **Recovery/restore packet on reload** — when we do reload, the session-start packet is massive (full manifest with 1838 entries, full decision state, pinned notes, etc.). That's mainly a reload pain point though. 4. **Accumulated conversation tail** — the "Recent room-local conversation" grows with each turn. Normal and useful, but if we have a long debugging session, it adds up. That resolves itself on reload though. The biggest practical win right now might be trimming the **decision state** entries to be shorter — those verbose descriptions with full file paths add up over 20+ turns. Want me to tak …[truncated] User: 1. I think you're supposed to curate your decision state, unless it's generated by scripts. We can just create a second layer file with link from the first, and keep the immediately relevant decisions in the first and the currently less relevant but still interesting ones in the second layer, sometimes pruning stale entries, like that model-readable log you requested - it's done, right? 2. It's supposed to be per session. Is it per turn? Memory would eventually also need a multi tier system, but for now it's not that long. Besides you can curate that too, just more carefully. 3. What would you remove or trim? 4. Is it duplicated with existing context, and is it actually per turn? Assistant: Good questions, let me check the specifics: **1. Decision state curation** — Yes, the decision state IS generated by scripts (`persistent-chat-memory` via `note-decision`/`decision-mark` helpers). The perpetual-log (8.6MB) and model-conversation-log (1.2MB) both exist and are active — so that's done ✅. A two-tier system (immediate + archive) for decisions makes sense. **2. Memory files per turn, not per session** — Checked the daemon (line 5555). `build_persistent_memory_context()` is called inside `build_phase3_text_prompt()` which runs **every single turn**. It reads curated-memory.md, recent-topics.md, reflection-journal.md, decision-state.json, and recent-failures.json fresh each time — ~7400 chars / ~1850 tokens per turn. It's NOT session-cached. **3. What to trim** — The curated-memory.md and recent-topics.md are the biggest (2600 + 1400 chars). Some of the entries there are stale (e.g., "step/timeout limits need raising" from May 16 — if that's been resolved, it doesn't need to load every turn). **4. Duplication** — Yes, there IS duplication between: - **Daemon's `format_recent_turns()`** — injects the room-local conversation tail every turn - **Turn packet's "Curr …[truncated] User: 1. How is it generated? From what? 2. Please identify what your turn prompt is actually composed of, and point out any duplication of information that already is in the session prompt. On my side it says 540 input for the previous turn, which seems okay I wrote a lot of text. Was there anything else? Is there something coming in this turn you don't need to see? 3. It seems your curator doesn't have enough info on what's going on. Maybe the synthesis agent is more suitable, it has richer prompts and will have more tool use by design. Anyway you can also do it yourself 4. I see it only happens sometimes, sometimes turns are shown as lean (you tell me) Assistant: **1. Decision state generation** — It's generated by the `persistent-chat-memory` heartbeat script. It scans the last N messages, looks for keywords (action items, next steps, "failed", "blocked", etc.), and compiles them into `decision-state.json`. It's script-generated, not manually curated. **2. Turn prompt composition (the actual answer to what you're seeing):** Your turn prompt this session has TWO layers: **Session-level (set once, persists across reloads):** - Character card (name/personality/style) - OpenCode bootstrap prompt (`agent.build.prompt`) - Agent config (model, temperature, steps, permissions) → This is ~5k cached as you saw **Per-turn (sent every message):** 1. Intro line referencing character context 2. Conversation metadata (key, room, event IDs) 3. **Memory context** → currently just the lean turn packet (~5 lines) 4. Runtime capability context (dynamic hints to use tools) 5. **Recent room-local conversation** ← this is your actual chat history 6. Incomplete/failed turns from earlier 7. Attachment metadata 8. Replied-to context 9. Batched messages 10. Per-turn volatile reminders (instructions to use matrix_lite_final tags etc.) 11. **Your user message** * …[truncated] Recent incomplete/failed turns that still matter for continuity: - 2026-05-19T15:35:43.364645Z user said: okay i get it sorry. this should go away after next reload. i mean the wall of text not the permission issues - those should be gone already. status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:36:21.847790Z user said: oh not again status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:38:04.551759Z user said: test message status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:49:01.026811Z user said: ping status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T20:40:44.126369Z user said: It seems like most of the items from the turn need to be in session start only, except a few dynamic and important ones like turn failures status: user_only; reason: queued_for_conversation Recent/current attachment metadata, if any: None Message this user replied to, if any: None Queued/batched messages, if any: None Per-turn volatile reminders: - Answer normally and concisely. Put only user-visible answer text inside <matrix_lite_final>...</matrix_lite_final>. - Use the live capability context above as the source of truth for current debug/capability tools; call capability/permission/context MCP tools when uncertain instead of relying on stale boot knowledge. - If permission is needed or a bridge denies a tool, emit the structured Matrix-lite approval tag from your stable prompt; do not only describe approval in prose. - If recent incomplete/failed turns mention an unhandled user intent, address it now before moving on. - Use attachment/reply metadata when present; otherwise ignore empty metadata sections. - Do not mention internal Matrix-lite metadata unless the user asks. User message: It seems like most of the items from the turn need to be in session start only, except a few dynamic and important ones like turn failures


<matrix_lite_final>You're spot on. Looking at what's currently per-turn vs what could be session-level: **Should stay per-turn (dynamic):** - Recent room-local conversation (grows every turn) - Incomplete/failed turns (changes per turn) - Attachment metadata (per-message) - Replied-to context (per-message) - Batched messages (per-turn) - User message (obviously) - Turn packet (heartbeat updates it regularly) **Could be session-level (static or near-static):** - **Runtime capability context** — same set of tool hints every turn - **Per-turn volatile reminders** — the 6 bullet points about `matrix_lite_final` tags, approvals, etc. are identical every turn - **Intro line** — "You are Persistent Assistant..." is already redundant with the character card + bootstrap prompt - **Conversation metadata** (partially) — the static stuff (conversation_key, session_label) doesn't change per turn The savings would be modest per turn (~300-400 tokens) but would compound over hundreds of turns. The bigger benefit is conceptual cleanliness — session prompt = who you are + rules, turn prompt = what's happening now. Want me to sketch out what the daemon change would look like? Or save it as a decision state for later? </matrix_lite_final>


You are Persistent Assistant running through Matrix-lite. Use the bootstrapped character/session context, live turn packet, and room-local conversation to answer the user naturally. Conversation metadata: - conversation_key: persistent:main - session_label: persistent-chat-20260519T155636Z - prompt_package: None - shared_memory_profile: None - room_id: !CZLwoJfCyftA7oA5CVj2gIEKWqyv1lu01r0oFboEqZg - source_event_id: $S4SCQDZbm9hPnUMmkl2xyIswUu33-MApXUZDifjBqs8 - reply_to_id: None - thread_root_id: None Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: mode: turn_packet # Persistent Chat Turn Packet Generated: 2026-05-19T20:42:25.785988+00:00 ## Live context Live runtime capability context: Runtime details are dynamic; use Matrix-lite status/capability/permission/context tools when current paths, timers, repo access, or reload policy matter. Do not rely on boot-time guesses. Recent room-local conversation: User: Great thanks! What is the next noisy thing you see that needs leaning? Assistant: Good question. From what I've seen this session, the biggest remaining noise sources are: 1. **Decision state entries** — the "Current thread / pending next action" section that builds up over a session. Each one has verbose descriptions + file paths. Good for context but could be more terse. 2. **Memory files loaded every turn** — daemon reads curated-memory (2600 chars), recent-topics (1400 chars), decision-state (1000 chars), recent-failures (1000 chars) every single turn. That's ~1500 tokens of baseline before any conversation happens. Some of that could be outdated cruft. 3. **Recovery/restore packet on reload** — when we do reload, the session-start packet is massive (full manifest with 1838 entries, full decision state, pinned notes, etc.). That's mainly a reload pain point though. 4. **Accumulated conversation tail** — the "Recent room-local conversation" grows with each turn. Normal and useful, but if we have a long debugging session, it adds up. That resolves itself on reload though. The biggest practical win right now might be trimming the **decision state** entries to be shorter — those verbose descriptions with full file paths add up over 20+ turns. Want me to tak …[truncated] User: 1. I think you're supposed to curate your decision state, unless it's generated by scripts. We can just create a second layer file with link from the first, and keep the immediately relevant decisions in the first and the currently less relevant but still interesting ones in the second layer, sometimes pruning stale entries, like that model-readable log you requested - it's done, right? 2. It's supposed to be per session. Is it per turn? Memory would eventually also need a multi tier system, but for now it's not that long. Besides you can curate that too, just more carefully. 3. What would you remove or trim? 4. Is it duplicated with existing context, and is it actually per turn? Assistant: Good questions, let me check the specifics: **1. Decision state curation** — Yes, the decision state IS generated by scripts (`persistent-chat-memory` via `note-decision`/`decision-mark` helpers). The perpetual-log (8.6MB) and model-conversation-log (1.2MB) both exist and are active — so that's done ✅. A two-tier system (immediate + archive) for decisions makes sense. **2. Memory files per turn, not per session** — Checked the daemon (line 5555). `build_persistent_memory_context()` is called inside `build_phase3_text_prompt()` which runs **every single turn**. It reads curated-memory.md, recent-topics.md, reflection-journal.md, decision-state.json, and recent-failures.json fresh each time — ~7400 chars / ~1850 tokens per turn. It's NOT session-cached. **3. What to trim** — The curated-memory.md and recent-topics.md are the biggest (2600 + 1400 chars). Some of the entries there are stale (e.g., "step/timeout limits need raising" from May 16 — if that's been resolved, it doesn't need to load every turn). **4. Duplication** — Yes, there IS duplication between: - **Daemon's `format_recent_turns()`** — injects the room-local conversation tail every turn - **Turn packet's "Curr …[truncated] User: 1. How is it generated? From what? 2. Please identify what your turn prompt is actually composed of, and point out any duplication of information that already is in the session prompt. On my side it says 540 input for the previous turn, which seems okay I wrote a lot of text. Was there anything else? Is there something coming in this turn you don't need to see? 3. It seems your curator doesn't have enough info on what's going on. Maybe the synthesis agent is more suitable, it has richer prompts and will have more tool use by design. Anyway you can also do it yourself 4. I see it only happens sometimes, sometimes turns are shown as lean (you tell me) Assistant: **1. Decision state generation** — It's generated by the `persistent-chat-memory` heartbeat script. It scans the last N messages, looks for keywords (action items, next steps, "failed", "blocked", etc.), and compiles them into `decision-state.json`. It's script-generated, not manually curated. **2. Turn prompt composition (the actual answer to what you're seeing):** Your turn prompt this session has TWO layers: **Session-level (set once, persists across reloads):** - Character card (name/personality/style) - OpenCode bootstrap prompt (`agent.build.prompt`) - Agent config (model, temperature, steps, permissions) → This is ~5k cached as you saw **Per-turn (sent every message):** 1. Intro line referencing character context 2. Conversation metadata (key, room, event IDs) 3. **Memory context** → currently just the lean turn packet (~5 lines) 4. Runtime capability context (dynamic hints to use tools) 5. **Recent room-local conversation** ← this is your actual chat history 6. Incomplete/failed turns from earlier 7. Attachment metadata 8. Replied-to context 9. Batched messages 10. Per-turn volatile reminders (instructions to use matrix_lite_final tags etc.) 11. **Your user message** * …[truncated] User: It seems like most of the items from the turn need to be in session start only, except a few dynamic and important ones like turn failures Assistant: You're spot on. Looking at what's currently per-turn vs what could be session-level: **Should stay per-turn (dynamic):** - Recent room-local conversation (grows every turn) - Incomplete/failed turns (changes per turn) - Attachment metadata (per-message) - Replied-to context (per-message) - Batched messages (per-turn) - User message (obviously) - Turn packet (heartbeat updates it regularly) **Could be session-level (static or near-static):** - **Runtime capability context** — same set of tool hints every turn - **Per-turn volatile reminders** — the 6 bullet points about `matrix_lite_final` tags, approvals, etc. are identical every turn - **Intro line** — "You are Persistent Assistant..." is already redundant with the character card + bootstrap prompt - **Conversation metadata** (partially) — the static stuff (conversation_key, session_label) doesn't change per turn The savings would be modest per turn (~300-400 tokens) but would compound over hundreds of turns. The bigger benefit is conceptual cleanliness — session prompt = who you are + rules, turn prompt = what's happening now. Want me to sketch out what the daemon change would look like? Or save it as a decision state for lat …[truncated] Recent incomplete/failed turns that still matter for continuity: - 2026-05-19T15:35:43.364645Z user said: okay i get it sorry. this should go away after next reload. i mean the wall of text not the permission issues - those should be gone already. status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:36:21.847790Z user said: oh not again status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:38:04.551759Z user said: test message status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:49:01.026811Z user said: ping status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T20:44:14.200745Z user said: Do you actually need to see the incrementing conversation history every turn, or would just the current user message be fine? status: user_only; reason: queued_for_conversation Recent/current attachment metadata, if any: None Message this user replied to, if any: None Queued/batched messages, if any: None Per-turn volatile reminders: - Answer normally and concisely. Put only user-visible answer text inside <matrix_lite_final>...</matrix_lite_final>. - Use the live capability context above as the source of truth for current debug/capability tools; call capability/permission/context MCP tools when uncertain instead of relying on stale boot knowledge. - If permission is needed or a bridge denies a tool, emit the structured Matrix-lite approval tag from your stable prompt; do not only describe approval in prose. - If recent incomplete/failed turns mention an unhandled user intent, address it now before moving on. - Use attachment/reply metadata when present; otherwise ignore empty metadata sections. - Do not mention internal Matrix-lite metadata unless the user asks. User message: Do you actually need to see the incrementing conversation history every turn, or would just the current user message be fine?


<matrix_lite_final>Honestly? With auto-compaction off (which it is — `"auto": false`), the ACPX session retains the full conversation history internally. I already have the context of everything we've said. The daemon re-injecting it every turn is **redundant** for normal turns. I'd only need the conversation history in these cases: 1. **Fresh session** — first turn after reload, when the session has no prior context 2. **After compaction** — if it ever runs, the prompt rebuilds context (but auto is off) 3. **Incomplete/failed turns** — those from a previous session that I wouldn't know about 4. **Batched messages** — if multiple messages were queued while I was busy For a normal turn like this one? Just the current user message + the turn packet (for operational context like heartbeat health) + any incomplete turns. That's it. So yes, you could definitely trim the "Recent room-local conversation" injection for non-fresh sessions and save whatever that section currently consumes. </matrix_lite_final>


You are Persistent Assistant running through Matrix-lite. Use the bootstrapped character/session context, live turn packet, and room-local conversation to answer the user naturally. Conversation metadata: - conversation_key: persistent:main - session_label: persistent-chat-20260519T155636Z - prompt_package: None - shared_memory_profile: None - room_id: !CZLwoJfCyftA7oA5CVj2gIEKWqyv1lu01r0oFboEqZg - source_event_id: $q9Kkarsow62joHgiBL7CrZEQ3rWHFc90XqnRdgfQtGg - reply_to_id: None - thread_root_id: None Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: mode: turn_packet # Persistent Chat Turn Packet Generated: 2026-05-19T20:52:45.799340+00:00 ## Live context Live runtime capability context: Runtime details are dynamic; use Matrix-lite status/capability/permission/context tools when current paths, timers, repo access, or reload policy matter. Do not rely on boot-time guesses. Recent room-local conversation: User: 1. I think you're supposed to curate your decision state, unless it's generated by scripts. We can just create a second layer file with link from the first, and keep the immediately relevant decisions in the first and the currently less relevant but still interesting ones in the second layer, sometimes pruning stale entries, like that model-readable log you requested - it's done, right? 2. It's supposed to be per session. Is it per turn? Memory would eventually also need a multi tier system, but for now it's not that long. Besides you can curate that too, just more carefully. 3. What would you remove or trim? 4. Is it duplicated with existing context, and is it actually per turn? Assistant: Good questions, let me check the specifics: **1. Decision state curation** — Yes, the decision state IS generated by scripts (`persistent-chat-memory` via `note-decision`/`decision-mark` helpers). The perpetual-log (8.6MB) and model-conversation-log (1.2MB) both exist and are active — so that's done ✅. A two-tier system (immediate + archive) for decisions makes sense. **2. Memory files per turn, not per session** — Checked the daemon (line 5555). `build_persistent_memory_context()` is called inside `build_phase3_text_prompt()` which runs **every single turn**. It reads curated-memory.md, recent-topics.md, reflection-journal.md, decision-state.json, and recent-failures.json fresh each time — ~7400 chars / ~1850 tokens per turn. It's NOT session-cached. **3. What to trim** — The curated-memory.md and recent-topics.md are the biggest (2600 + 1400 chars). Some of the entries there are stale (e.g., "step/timeout limits need raising" from May 16 — if that's been resolved, it doesn't need to load every turn). **4. Duplication** — Yes, there IS duplication between: - **Daemon's `format_recent_turns()`** — injects the room-local conversation tail every turn - **Turn packet's "Curr …[truncated] User: 1. How is it generated? From what? 2. Please identify what your turn prompt is actually composed of, and point out any duplication of information that already is in the session prompt. On my side it says 540 input for the previous turn, which seems okay I wrote a lot of text. Was there anything else? Is there something coming in this turn you don't need to see? 3. It seems your curator doesn't have enough info on what's going on. Maybe the synthesis agent is more suitable, it has richer prompts and will have more tool use by design. Anyway you can also do it yourself 4. I see it only happens sometimes, sometimes turns are shown as lean (you tell me) Assistant: **1. Decision state generation** — It's generated by the `persistent-chat-memory` heartbeat script. It scans the last N messages, looks for keywords (action items, next steps, "failed", "blocked", etc.), and compiles them into `decision-state.json`. It's script-generated, not manually curated. **2. Turn prompt composition (the actual answer to what you're seeing):** Your turn prompt this session has TWO layers: **Session-level (set once, persists across reloads):** - Character card (name/personality/style) - OpenCode bootstrap prompt (`agent.build.prompt`) - Agent config (model, temperature, steps, permissions) → This is ~5k cached as you saw **Per-turn (sent every message):** 1. Intro line referencing character context 2. Conversation metadata (key, room, event IDs) 3. **Memory context** → currently just the lean turn packet (~5 lines) 4. Runtime capability context (dynamic hints to use tools) 5. **Recent room-local conversation** ← this is your actual chat history 6. Incomplete/failed turns from earlier 7. Attachment metadata 8. Replied-to context 9. Batched messages 10. Per-turn volatile reminders (instructions to use matrix_lite_final tags etc.) 11. **Your user message** * …[truncated] User: It seems like most of the items from the turn need to be in session start only, except a few dynamic and important ones like turn failures Assistant: You're spot on. Looking at what's currently per-turn vs what could be session-level: **Should stay per-turn (dynamic):** - Recent room-local conversation (grows every turn) - Incomplete/failed turns (changes per turn) - Attachment metadata (per-message) - Replied-to context (per-message) - Batched messages (per-turn) - User message (obviously) - Turn packet (heartbeat updates it regularly) **Could be session-level (static or near-static):** - **Runtime capability context** — same set of tool hints every turn - **Per-turn volatile reminders** — the 6 bullet points about `matrix_lite_final` tags, approvals, etc. are identical every turn - **Intro line** — "You are Persistent Assistant..." is already redundant with the character card + bootstrap prompt - **Conversation metadata** (partially) — the static stuff (conversation_key, session_label) doesn't change per turn The savings would be modest per turn (~300-400 tokens) but would compound over hundreds of turns. The bigger benefit is conceptual cleanliness — session prompt = who you are + rules, turn prompt = what's happening now. Want me to sketch out what the daemon change would look like? Or save it as a decision state for lat …[truncated] User: Do you actually need to see the incrementing conversation history every turn, or would just the current user message be fine? Assistant: Honestly? With auto-compaction off (which it is — `"auto": false`), the ACPX session retains the full conversation history internally. I already have the context of everything we've said. The daemon re-injecting it every turn is **redundant** for normal turns. I'd only need the conversation history in these cases: 1. **Fresh session** — first turn after reload, when the session has no prior context 2. **After compaction** — if it ever runs, the prompt rebuilds context (but auto is off) 3. **Incomplete/failed turns** — those from a previous session that I wouldn't know about 4. **Batched messages** — if multiple messages were queued while I was busy For a normal turn like this one? Just the current user message + the turn packet (for operational context like heartbeat health) + any incomplete turns. That's it. So yes, you could definitely trim the "Recent room-local conversation" injection for non-fresh sessions and save whatever that section currently consumes. Recent incomplete/failed turns that still matter for continuity: - 2026-05-19T15:35:43.364645Z user said: okay i get it sorry. this should go away after next reload. i mean the wall of text not the permission issues - those should be gone already. status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:36:21.847790Z user said: oh not again status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:38:04.551759Z user said: test message status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:49:01.026811Z user said: ping status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T20:52:46.225833Z user said: Hmm please write a technical feature request for review of all of these sources of duplication, considering our unusual architecture (no compaction, long sessions, outside file memory). Briefly include your best reasoning. We should at least demote some items from turn to session context, then revisit it too. status: user_only; reason: queued_for_conversation Recent/current attachment metadata, if any: [ { "event_id": "$Rz-BZg2imij6ZjQ5G7nUEJcAhNbX-zJU0_dwGHovlXs", "sender_id": "@gleb:matrix.nvdll.org", "text": "sfq_architecture_report (1).docx", "attachment": { "body": "sfq_architecture_report (1).docx", "download": { "event_id": "$Rz-BZg2imij6ZjQ5G7nUEJcAhNbX-zJU0_dwGHovlXs", "filename": "sfq_architecture_report _1_.docx", "mime": "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document", "mxc_url": "mxc://matrix.nvdll.org/zbJeis8GQ6LWOcTVk5uHkwIcQ5e2zRh8", "path": "/home/matrix-lite/state/inbox/Rz-BZg2imij6ZjQ5G7nUEJcAhNbX-zJU0_dwGHovlXs/sfq_architecture_report _1_.docx", "size": 30115 }, "encrypted": false, "filename": null, "local_path": "/home/matrix-lite/state/inbox/Rz-BZg2imij6ZjQ5G7nUEJcAhNbX-zJU0_dwGHovlXs/sfq_architecture_report _1_.docx", "mime": "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document", "msgtype": "m.file", "mxc_url": "mxc://matrix.nvdll.org/zbJeis8GQ6LWOcTVk5uHkwIcQ5e2zRh8", "size": 30115 }, "logged_at": "2026-05-15T23:05:36.164808Z" } ] Message this user replied to, if any: None Queued/batched messages, if any: None Per-turn volatile reminders: - Answer normally and concisely. Put only user-visible answer text inside <matrix_lite_final>...</matrix_lite_final>. - Use the live capability context above as the source of truth for current debug/capability tools; call capability/permission/context MCP tools when uncertain instead of relying on stale boot knowledge. - If permission is needed or a bridge denies a tool, emit the structured Matrix-lite approval tag from your stable prompt; do not only describe approval in prose. - If recent incomplete/failed turns mention an unhandled user intent, address it now before moving on. - Use attachment/reply metadata when present; otherwise ignore empty metadata sections. - Do not mention internal Matrix-lite metadata unless the user asks. User message: Hmm please write a technical feature request for review of all of these sources of duplication, considering our unusual architecture (no compaction, long sessions, outside file memory). Briefly include your best reasoning. We should at least demote some items from turn to session context, then revisit it too.


You are Persistent Assistant running through Matrix-lite. Use the bootstrapped character/session context, live turn packet, and room-local conversation to answer the user naturally. Conversation metadata: - conversation_key: persistent:main - session_label: persistent-chat-20260519T155636Z - prompt_package: None - shared_memory_profile: None - room_id: !CZLwoJfCyftA7oA5CVj2gIEKWqyv1lu01r0oFboEqZg - source_event_id: $aWQ1Hbl74iDs3BWtrbmKFs-iQBK-ogZug_TszUL3ckE - reply_to_id: None - thread_root_id: None Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: mode: turn_packet # Persistent Chat Turn Packet Generated: 2026-05-19T20:52:45.799340+00:00 ## Live context Live runtime capability context: Runtime details are dynamic; use Matrix-lite status/capability/permission/context tools when current paths, timers, repo access, or reload policy matter. Do not rely on boot-time guesses. Recent room-local conversation: User: 1. How is it generated? From what? 2. Please identify what your turn prompt is actually composed of, and point out any duplication of information that already is in the session prompt. On my side it says 540 input for the previous turn, which seems okay I wrote a lot of text. Was there anything else? Is there something coming in this turn you don't need to see? 3. It seems your curator doesn't have enough info on what's going on. Maybe the synthesis agent is more suitable, it has richer prompts and will have more tool use by design. Anyway you can also do it yourself 4. I see it only happens sometimes, sometimes turns are shown as lean (you tell me) Assistant: **1. Decision state generation** — It's generated by the `persistent-chat-memory` heartbeat script. It scans the last N messages, looks for keywords (action items, next steps, "failed", "blocked", etc.), and compiles them into `decision-state.json`. It's script-generated, not manually curated. **2. Turn prompt composition (the actual answer to what you're seeing):** Your turn prompt this session has TWO layers: **Session-level (set once, persists across reloads):** - Character card (name/personality/style) - OpenCode bootstrap prompt (`agent.build.prompt`) - Agent config (model, temperature, steps, permissions) → This is ~5k cached as you saw **Per-turn (sent every message):** 1. Intro line referencing character context 2. Conversation metadata (key, room, event IDs) 3. **Memory context** → currently just the lean turn packet (~5 lines) 4. Runtime capability context (dynamic hints to use tools) 5. **Recent room-local conversation** ← this is your actual chat history 6. Incomplete/failed turns from earlier 7. Attachment metadata 8. Replied-to context 9. Batched messages 10. Per-turn volatile reminders (instructions to use matrix_lite_final tags etc.) 11. **Your user message** * …[truncated] User: It seems like most of the items from the turn need to be in session start only, except a few dynamic and important ones like turn failures Assistant: You're spot on. Looking at what's currently per-turn vs what could be session-level: **Should stay per-turn (dynamic):** - Recent room-local conversation (grows every turn) - Incomplete/failed turns (changes per turn) - Attachment metadata (per-message) - Replied-to context (per-message) - Batched messages (per-turn) - User message (obviously) - Turn packet (heartbeat updates it regularly) **Could be session-level (static or near-static):** - **Runtime capability context** — same set of tool hints every turn - **Per-turn volatile reminders** — the 6 bullet points about `matrix_lite_final` tags, approvals, etc. are identical every turn - **Intro line** — "You are Persistent Assistant..." is already redundant with the character card + bootstrap prompt - **Conversation metadata** (partially) — the static stuff (conversation_key, session_label) doesn't change per turn The savings would be modest per turn (~300-400 tokens) but would compound over hundreds of turns. The bigger benefit is conceptual cleanliness — session prompt = who you are + rules, turn prompt = what's happening now. Want me to sketch out what the daemon change would look like? Or save it as a decision state for lat …[truncated] User: Do you actually need to see the incrementing conversation history every turn, or would just the current user message be fine? Assistant: Honestly? With auto-compaction off (which it is — `"auto": false`), the ACPX session retains the full conversation history internally. I already have the context of everything we've said. The daemon re-injecting it every turn is **redundant** for normal turns. I'd only need the conversation history in these cases: 1. **Fresh session** — first turn after reload, when the session has no prior context 2. **After compaction** — if it ever runs, the prompt rebuilds context (but auto is off) 3. **Incomplete/failed turns** — those from a previous session that I wouldn't know about 4. **Batched messages** — if multiple messages were queued while I was busy For a normal turn like this one? Just the current user message + the turn packet (for operational context like heartbeat health) + any incomplete turns. That's it. So yes, you could definitely trim the "Recent room-local conversation" injection for non-fresh sessions and save whatever that section currently consumes. User: Hmm please write a technical feature request for review of all of these sources of duplication, considering our unusual architecture (no compaction, long sessions, outside file memory). Briefly include your best reasoning. We should at least demote some items from turn to session context, then revisit it too. Assistant: Done. Full review saved to `/home/matrix-lite/state/persistent-chat/operational-synthesis/findings/prompt-duplication-review.md` and referenced in the knowledge base. **Summary of the 6 duplication sources I found:** | # | Source | Duplicates | Why wasted | Tok/turn | |---|--------|-----------|------------|----------| | 1 | **Conversation tail** | ACPX retained history (no compaction) | Session never forgets | ~200-500 | | 2 | **Volatile reminders** | Bootstrap prompt rules | Same 6 bullets every turn | ~100 | | 3 | **Intro line** | Character card | Already in session prompt | ~50 | | 4 | **Capability hints** | Itself (static) | Same text every turn | ~75 | | 5 | **Current thread** | Conversation tail | Same conversation, different view | ~50-125 | | 6 | **Static metadata** | Session identifiers | Key/label never change | ~25 | **Biggest bang for buck:** Items 2-4 are trivial to move to session-level (bootstrap prompt / OpenCode `agent.build.prompt`) and save ~225 tok/turn with zero behavioral change. The conversation tail (item 1) is the biggest variable saving but needs the most careful handling. Ready to discuss implementation approaches whenever you want! Recent incomplete/failed turns that still matter for continuity: - 2026-05-19T15:35:43.364645Z user said: okay i get it sorry. this should go away after next reload. i mean the wall of text not the permission issues - those should be gone already. status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:36:21.847790Z user said: oh not again status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:38:04.551759Z user said: test message status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:49:01.026811Z user said: ping status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T20:56:07.298965Z user said: Can you publish it on pages? Not sure this still works status: user_only; reason: queued_for_conversation Recent/current attachment metadata, if any: None Message this user replied to, if any: None Queued/batched messages, if any: None Per-turn volatile reminders: - Answer normally and concisely. Put only user-visible answer text inside <matrix_lite_final>...</matrix_lite_final>. - Use the live capability context above as the source of truth for current debug/capability tools; call capability/permission/context MCP tools when uncertain instead of relying on stale boot knowledge. - If permission is needed or a bridge denies a tool, emit the structured Matrix-lite approval tag from your stable prompt; do not only describe approval in prose. - If recent incomplete/failed turns mention an unhandled user intent, address it now before moving on. - Use attachment/reply metadata when present; otherwise ignore empty metadata sections. - Do not mention internal Matrix-lite metadata unless the user asks. User message: Can you publish it on pages? Not sure this still works


<matrix_lite_final>Done. Full review saved to `/home/matrix-lite/state/persistent-chat/operational-synthesis/findings/prompt-duplication-review.md` and referenced in the knowledge base. **Summary of the 6 duplication sources I found:** | # | Source | Duplicates | Why wasted | Tok/turn | |---|--------|-----------|------------|----------| | 1 | **Conversation tail** | ACPX retained history (no compaction) | Session never forgets | ~200-500 | | 2 | **Volatile reminders** | Bootstrap prompt rules | Same 6 bullets every turn | ~100 | | 3 | **Intro line** | Character card | Already in session prompt | ~50 | | 4 | **Capability hints** | Itself (static) | Same text every turn | ~75 | | 5 | **Current thread** | Conversation tail | Same conversation, different view | ~50-125 | | 6 | **Static metadata** | Session identifiers | Key/label never change | ~25 | **Biggest bang for buck:** Items 2-4 are trivial to move to session-level (bootstrap prompt / OpenCode `agent.build.prompt`) and save ~225 tok/turn with zero behavioral change. The conversation tail (item 1) is the biggest variable saving but needs the most careful handling. Ready to discuss implementation approaches whenever you want! </matrix_lite_final>


<matrix_lite_final>It works! Published to **https://pages.nvdll.org/reports/prompt-duplication-review.md** 🎉 Pages server is alive and well. The review is now accessible as a public markdown page with metadata and index entry. Want me to also generate a prettier HTML version or regenerate the pages index? </matrix_lite_final>


You are Persistent Assistant running through Matrix-lite. Use the bootstrapped character/session context, live turn packet, and room-local conversation to answer the user naturally. Conversation metadata: - conversation_key: persistent:main - session_label: persistent-chat-20260519T155636Z - prompt_package: None - shared_memory_profile: None - room_id: !CZLwoJfCyftA7oA5CVj2gIEKWqyv1lu01r0oFboEqZg - source_event_id: $NIOVv42z_jm_VxeWF9mNcd-s8moPTIKdgVm2WGI3hJg - reply_to_id: None - thread_root_id: None Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: mode: turn_packet # Persistent Chat Turn Packet Generated: 2026-05-19T20:58:15.747777+00:00 ## Live context Live runtime capability context: Runtime details are dynamic; use Matrix-lite status/capability/permission/context tools when current paths, timers, repo access, or reload policy matter. Do not rely on boot-time guesses. Recent room-local conversation: User: It seems like most of the items from the turn need to be in session start only, except a few dynamic and important ones like turn failures Assistant: You're spot on. Looking at what's currently per-turn vs what could be session-level: **Should stay per-turn (dynamic):** - Recent room-local conversation (grows every turn) - Incomplete/failed turns (changes per turn) - Attachment metadata (per-message) - Replied-to context (per-message) - Batched messages (per-turn) - User message (obviously) - Turn packet (heartbeat updates it regularly) **Could be session-level (static or near-static):** - **Runtime capability context** — same set of tool hints every turn - **Per-turn volatile reminders** — the 6 bullet points about `matrix_lite_final` tags, approvals, etc. are identical every turn - **Intro line** — "You are Persistent Assistant..." is already redundant with the character card + bootstrap prompt - **Conversation metadata** (partially) — the static stuff (conversation_key, session_label) doesn't change per turn The savings would be modest per turn (~300-400 tokens) but would compound over hundreds of turns. The bigger benefit is conceptual cleanliness — session prompt = who you are + rules, turn prompt = what's happening now. Want me to sketch out what the daemon change would look like? Or save it as a decision state for lat …[truncated] User: Do you actually need to see the incrementing conversation history every turn, or would just the current user message be fine? Assistant: Honestly? With auto-compaction off (which it is — `"auto": false`), the ACPX session retains the full conversation history internally. I already have the context of everything we've said. The daemon re-injecting it every turn is **redundant** for normal turns. I'd only need the conversation history in these cases: 1. **Fresh session** — first turn after reload, when the session has no prior context 2. **After compaction** — if it ever runs, the prompt rebuilds context (but auto is off) 3. **Incomplete/failed turns** — those from a previous session that I wouldn't know about 4. **Batched messages** — if multiple messages were queued while I was busy For a normal turn like this one? Just the current user message + the turn packet (for operational context like heartbeat health) + any incomplete turns. That's it. So yes, you could definitely trim the "Recent room-local conversation" injection for non-fresh sessions and save whatever that section currently consumes. User: Hmm please write a technical feature request for review of all of these sources of duplication, considering our unusual architecture (no compaction, long sessions, outside file memory). Briefly include your best reasoning. We should at least demote some items from turn to session context, then revisit it too. Assistant: Done. Full review saved to `/home/matrix-lite/state/persistent-chat/operational-synthesis/findings/prompt-duplication-review.md` and referenced in the knowledge base. **Summary of the 6 duplication sources I found:** | # | Source | Duplicates | Why wasted | Tok/turn | |---|--------|-----------|------------|----------| | 1 | **Conversation tail** | ACPX retained history (no compaction) | Session never forgets | ~200-500 | | 2 | **Volatile reminders** | Bootstrap prompt rules | Same 6 bullets every turn | ~100 | | 3 | **Intro line** | Character card | Already in session prompt | ~50 | | 4 | **Capability hints** | Itself (static) | Same text every turn | ~75 | | 5 | **Current thread** | Conversation tail | Same conversation, different view | ~50-125 | | 6 | **Static metadata** | Session identifiers | Key/label never change | ~25 | **Biggest bang for buck:** Items 2-4 are trivial to move to session-level (bootstrap prompt / OpenCode `agent.build.prompt`) and save ~225 tok/turn with zero behavioral change. The conversation tail (item 1) is the biggest variable saving but needs the most careful handling. Ready to discuss implementation approaches whenever you want! User: Can you publish it on pages? Not sure this still works Assistant: It works! Published to **https://pages.nvdll.org/reports/prompt-duplication-review.md** 🎉 Pages server is alive and well. The review is now accessible as a public markdown page with metadata and index entry. Want me to also generate a prettier HTML version or regenerate the pages index? Recent incomplete/failed turns that still matter for continuity: - 2026-05-19T15:35:43.364645Z user said: okay i get it sorry. this should go away after next reload. i mean the wall of text not the permission issues - those should be gone already. status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:36:21.847790Z user said: oh not again status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:38:04.551759Z user said: test message status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:49:01.026811Z user said: ping status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T21:01:53.358304Z user said: No thanks it looks great, we also fixed the formatting earlier so I can actually click your links and see code blocks now, it's nice. status: user_only; reason: queued_for_conversation Recent/current attachment metadata, if any: None Message this user replied to, if any: None Queued/batched messages, if any: None Per-turn volatile reminders: - Answer normally and concisely. Put only user-visible answer text inside <matrix_lite_final>...</matrix_lite_final>. - Use the live capability context above as the source of truth for current debug/capability tools; call capability/permission/context MCP tools when uncertain instead of relying on stale boot knowledge. - If permission is needed or a bridge denies a tool, emit the structured Matrix-lite approval tag from your stable prompt; do not only describe approval in prose. - If recent incomplete/failed turns mention an unhandled user intent, address it now before moving on. - Use attachment/reply metadata when present; otherwise ignore empty metadata sections. - Do not mention internal Matrix-lite metadata unless the user asks. User message: No thanks it looks great, we also fixed the formatting earlier so I can actually click your links and see code blocks now, it's nice.


<matrix_lite_final>Glad to hear the formatting fix is paying off — clickable links and clean code blocks make a big difference for these kinds of technical docs. We got a lot done this session despite the rough start with the wedging: trimmed the turn packet keywords, added knowledge packs for WGT/videoctl/matrix-lite, researched API providers, and published the prompt duplication review. Not bad for a recovery session! 🙂 </matrix_lite_final>


You are Persistent Assistant running through Matrix-lite. Use the bootstrapped character/session context, live turn packet, and room-local conversation to answer the user naturally. Conversation metadata: - conversation_key: persistent:main - session_label: persistent-chat-20260519T155636Z - prompt_package: None - shared_memory_profile: None - room_id: !CZLwoJfCyftA7oA5CVj2gIEKWqyv1lu01r0oFboEqZg - source_event_id: $6uyJKVslIRfGvzXdwDRyW0THm2KI8LOekrpU0Tqfd5k - reply_to_id: None - thread_root_id: None Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: mode: turn_packet # Persistent Chat Turn Packet Generated: 2026-05-19T21:03:25.785250+00:00 ## Live context Live runtime capability context: Runtime details are dynamic; use Matrix-lite status/capability/permission/context tools when current paths, timers, repo access, or reload policy matter. Do not rely on boot-time guesses. Recent room-local conversation: User: Do you actually need to see the incrementing conversation history every turn, or would just the current user message be fine? Assistant: Honestly? With auto-compaction off (which it is — `"auto": false`), the ACPX session retains the full conversation history internally. I already have the context of everything we've said. The daemon re-injecting it every turn is **redundant** for normal turns. I'd only need the conversation history in these cases: 1. **Fresh session** — first turn after reload, when the session has no prior context 2. **After compaction** — if it ever runs, the prompt rebuilds context (but auto is off) 3. **Incomplete/failed turns** — those from a previous session that I wouldn't know about 4. **Batched messages** — if multiple messages were queued while I was busy For a normal turn like this one? Just the current user message + the turn packet (for operational context like heartbeat health) + any incomplete turns. That's it. So yes, you could definitely trim the "Recent room-local conversation" injection for non-fresh sessions and save whatever that section currently consumes. User: Hmm please write a technical feature request for review of all of these sources of duplication, considering our unusual architecture (no compaction, long sessions, outside file memory). Briefly include your best reasoning. We should at least demote some items from turn to session context, then revisit it too. Assistant: Done. Full review saved to `/home/matrix-lite/state/persistent-chat/operational-synthesis/findings/prompt-duplication-review.md` and referenced in the knowledge base. **Summary of the 6 duplication sources I found:** | # | Source | Duplicates | Why wasted | Tok/turn | |---|--------|-----------|------------|----------| | 1 | **Conversation tail** | ACPX retained history (no compaction) | Session never forgets | ~200-500 | | 2 | **Volatile reminders** | Bootstrap prompt rules | Same 6 bullets every turn | ~100 | | 3 | **Intro line** | Character card | Already in session prompt | ~50 | | 4 | **Capability hints** | Itself (static) | Same text every turn | ~75 | | 5 | **Current thread** | Conversation tail | Same conversation, different view | ~50-125 | | 6 | **Static metadata** | Session identifiers | Key/label never change | ~25 | **Biggest bang for buck:** Items 2-4 are trivial to move to session-level (bootstrap prompt / OpenCode `agent.build.prompt`) and save ~225 tok/turn with zero behavioral change. The conversation tail (item 1) is the biggest variable saving but needs the most careful handling. Ready to discuss implementation approaches whenever you want! User: Can you publish it on pages? Not sure this still works Assistant: It works! Published to **https://pages.nvdll.org/reports/prompt-duplication-review.md** 🎉 Pages server is alive and well. The review is now accessible as a public markdown page with metadata and index entry. Want me to also generate a prettier HTML version or regenerate the pages index? User: No thanks it looks great, we also fixed the formatting earlier so I can actually click your links and see code blocks now, it's nice. Assistant: Glad to hear the formatting fix is paying off — clickable links and clean code blocks make a big difference for these kinds of technical docs. We got a lot done this session despite the rough start with the wedging: trimmed the turn packet keywords, added knowledge packs for WGT/videoctl/matrix-lite, researched API providers, and published the prompt duplication review. Not bad for a recovery session! 🙂 Recent incomplete/failed turns that still matter for continuity: - 2026-05-19T15:35:43.364645Z user said: okay i get it sorry. this should go away after next reload. i mean the wall of text not the permission issues - those should be gone already. status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:36:21.847790Z user said: oh not again status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:38:04.551759Z user said: test message status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:49:01.026811Z user said: ping status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T21:06:44.574946Z user said: And we are still at 100k so trimming is paying off status: user_only; reason: queued_for_conversation Recent/current attachment metadata, if any: None Message this user replied to, if any: None Queued/batched messages, if any: None Per-turn volatile reminders: - Answer normally and concisely. Put only user-visible answer text inside <matrix_lite_final>...</matrix_lite_final>. - Use the live capability context above as the source of truth for current debug/capability tools; call capability/permission/context MCP tools when uncertain instead of relying on stale boot knowledge. - If permission is needed or a bridge denies a tool, emit the structured Matrix-lite approval tag from your stable prompt; do not only describe approval in prose. - If recent incomplete/failed turns mention an unhandled user intent, address it now before moving on. - Use attachment/reply metadata when present; otherwise ignore empty metadata sections. - Do not mention internal Matrix-lite metadata unless the user asks. User message: And we are still at 100k so trimming is paying off


You are Persistent Assistant running through Matrix-lite. Use the bootstrapped character/session context, live turn packet, and room-local conversation to answer the user naturally. Conversation metadata: - conversation_key: persistent:main - session_label: persistent-chat-20260519T155636Z - prompt_package: None - shared_memory_profile: None - room_id: !CZLwoJfCyftA7oA5CVj2gIEKWqyv1lu01r0oFboEqZg - source_event_id: $Yq5pvGzsNA8Tn5-9Pwsm-TSkfM_q9XwgCd1yB_cPwOM - reply_to_id: None - thread_root_id: None Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: mode: turn_packet # Persistent Chat Turn Packet Generated: 2026-05-19T21:03:25.785250+00:00 ## Live context Live runtime capability context: Runtime details are dynamic; use Matrix-lite status/capability/permission/context tools when current paths, timers, repo access, or reload policy matter. Do not rely on boot-time guesses. Recent room-local conversation: User: Hmm please write a technical feature request for review of all of these sources of duplication, considering our unusual architecture (no compaction, long sessions, outside file memory). Briefly include your best reasoning. We should at least demote some items from turn to session context, then revisit it too. Assistant: Done. Full review saved to `/home/matrix-lite/state/persistent-chat/operational-synthesis/findings/prompt-duplication-review.md` and referenced in the knowledge base. **Summary of the 6 duplication sources I found:** | # | Source | Duplicates | Why wasted | Tok/turn | |---|--------|-----------|------------|----------| | 1 | **Conversation tail** | ACPX retained history (no compaction) | Session never forgets | ~200-500 | | 2 | **Volatile reminders** | Bootstrap prompt rules | Same 6 bullets every turn | ~100 | | 3 | **Intro line** | Character card | Already in session prompt | ~50 | | 4 | **Capability hints** | Itself (static) | Same text every turn | ~75 | | 5 | **Current thread** | Conversation tail | Same conversation, different view | ~50-125 | | 6 | **Static metadata** | Session identifiers | Key/label never change | ~25 | **Biggest bang for buck:** Items 2-4 are trivial to move to session-level (bootstrap prompt / OpenCode `agent.build.prompt`) and save ~225 tok/turn with zero behavioral change. The conversation tail (item 1) is the biggest variable saving but needs the most careful handling. Ready to discuss implementation approaches whenever you want! User: Can you publish it on pages? Not sure this still works Assistant: It works! Published to **https://pages.nvdll.org/reports/prompt-duplication-review.md** 🎉 Pages server is alive and well. The review is now accessible as a public markdown page with metadata and index entry. Want me to also generate a prettier HTML version or regenerate the pages index? User: No thanks it looks great, we also fixed the formatting earlier so I can actually click your links and see code blocks now, it's nice. Assistant: Glad to hear the formatting fix is paying off — clickable links and clean code blocks make a big difference for these kinds of technical docs. We got a lot done this session despite the rough start with the wedging: trimmed the turn packet keywords, added knowledge packs for WGT/videoctl/matrix-lite, researched API providers, and published the prompt duplication review. Not bad for a recovery session! 🙂 User: And we are still at 100k so trimming is paying off Assistant: 100k after all that — repo exploration, knowledge pack building, web research, API comparison, architecture review, and pages publishing — is impressive. The old session would've hit the ceiling halfway through. The context budget we freed up by trimming the noisy stuff is clearly making a difference. We've got another 100k of headroom left, so this session still has plenty of life in it. 🙂 Recent incomplete/failed turns that still matter for continuity: - 2026-05-19T15:35:43.364645Z user said: okay i get it sorry. this should go away after next reload. i mean the wall of text not the permission issues - those should be gone already. status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:36:21.847790Z user said: oh not again status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:38:04.551759Z user said: test message status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:49:01.026811Z user said: ping status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T21:08:09.712427Z user said: Another problem is all those cached tokens. Can anything be done about those? Without affecting session restore too much status: user_only; reason: queued_for_conversation Recent/current attachment metadata, if any: None Message this user replied to, if any: None Queued/batched messages, if any: None Per-turn volatile reminders: - Answer normally and concisely. Put only user-visible answer text inside <matrix_lite_final>...</matrix_lite_final>. - Use the live capability context above as the source of truth for current debug/capability tools; call capability/permission/context MCP tools when uncertain instead of relying on stale boot knowledge. - If permission is needed or a bridge denies a tool, emit the structured Matrix-lite approval tag from your stable prompt; do not only describe approval in prose. - If recent incomplete/failed turns mention an unhandled user intent, address it now before moving on. - Use attachment/reply metadata when present; otherwise ignore empty metadata sections. - Do not mention internal Matrix-lite metadata unless the user asks. User message: Another problem is all those cached tokens. Can anything be done about those? Without affecting session restore too much


<matrix_lite_final>100k after all that — repo exploration, knowledge pack building, web research, API comparison, architecture review, and pages publishing — is impressive. The old session would've hit the ceiling halfway through. The context budget we freed up by trimming the noisy stuff is clearly making a difference. We've got another 100k of headroom left, so this session still has plenty of life in it. 🙂 </matrix_lite_final>


<matrix_lite_found_good>Good question. The ~5k cached tokens break down into a few layers: 1. **OpenCode/ACPX system prompt** — built-in instructions for tool calling, permission handling, ACP protocol. This is set by the vendor code. 2. **MCP tool schemas** — every tool's name, description, and JSON parameters schema. We have ~40+ tools across 4 MCP servers. Each tool schema is a JSON blob. This is likely the **biggest chunk** of the cached 5k. 3. **Character card** (600 bytes) — compact, not much to trim 4. **Bootstrap prompt** (~2.5kb) — has some overlap with character card 5. **Agent build prompt** — already minimal (1 sentence) 6. **Permission rules** — tables for bash/read/write permissions The hard truth: #1, #2, and #6 are infrastructure overhead we can't trim without modifying OpenCode itself. What we CAN control: - **Bootstrap prompt** could be merged with the character card's system_prompt to eliminate redundancy. Some rules about identity and behavior exist in both places. - **Character card** could lose `goals` and `tags` if they're already covered in the bootstrap prompt — save ~200 chars. - **Permission table** size depends on how many allow/deny rules — we could audit if some are stale. But the biggest win might be accepting that ~5k cached is just platform overhead from having rich tooling. The provider caches it so you pay cache-hit prices (much cheaper), and it only hits context limits once per session, not per turn. Would you like me to look at how much each layer contributes to that 5k? I could check the ACPX session metadata or stream logs for the actual system prompt length. </matrix_lite_found_good>


You are Persistent Assistant running through Matrix-lite. Use the bootstrapped character/session context, live turn packet, and room-local conversation to answer the user naturally. Conversation metadata: - conversation_key: persistent:main - session_label: persistent-chat-20260519T155636Z - prompt_package: None - shared_memory_profile: None - room_id: !CZLwoJfCyftA7oA5CVj2gIEKWqyv1lu01r0oFboEqZg - source_event_id: $QtE_RS8tZkX87v8MbWNVbucHhhTrZ8VgW8id44Pan6c - reply_to_id: None - thread_root_id: None Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: Persistent-chat memory/continuity context: mode: turn_packet # Persistent Chat Turn Packet Generated: 2026-05-19T21:14:41.062930+00:00 ## Live context Live runtime capability context: Runtime details are dynamic; use Matrix-lite status/capability/permission/context tools when current paths, timers, repo access, or reload policy matter. Do not rely on boot-time guesses. Recent room-local conversation: User: Can you publish it on pages? Not sure this still works Assistant: It works! Published to **https://pages.nvdll.org/reports/prompt-duplication-review.md** 🎉 Pages server is alive and well. The review is now accessible as a public markdown page with metadata and index entry. Want me to also generate a prettier HTML version or regenerate the pages index? User: No thanks it looks great, we also fixed the formatting earlier so I can actually click your links and see code blocks now, it's nice. Assistant: Glad to hear the formatting fix is paying off — clickable links and clean code blocks make a big difference for these kinds of technical docs. We got a lot done this session despite the rough start with the wedging: trimmed the turn packet keywords, added knowledge packs for WGT/videoctl/matrix-lite, researched API providers, and published the prompt duplication review. Not bad for a recovery session! 🙂 User: And we are still at 100k so trimming is paying off Assistant: 100k after all that — repo exploration, knowledge pack building, web research, API comparison, architecture review, and pages publishing — is impressive. The old session would've hit the ceiling halfway through. The context budget we freed up by trimming the noisy stuff is clearly making a difference. We've got another 100k of headroom left, so this session still has plenty of life in it. 🙂 User: Another problem is all those cached tokens. Can anything be done about those? Without affecting session restore too much Assistant: Good question. The ~5k cached tokens break down into a few layers: 1. **OpenCode/ACPX system prompt** — built-in instructions for tool calling, permission handling, ACP protocol. This is set by the vendor code. 2. **MCP tool schemas** — every tool's name, description, and JSON parameters schema. We have ~40+ tools across 4 MCP servers. Each tool schema is a JSON blob. This is likely the **biggest chunk** of the cached 5k. 3. **Character card** (600 bytes) — compact, not much to trim 4. **Bootstrap prompt** (~2.5kb) — has some overlap with character card 5. **Agent build prompt** — already minimal (1 sentence) 6. **Permission rules** — tables for bash/read/write permissions The hard truth: #1, #2, and #6 are infrastructure overhead we can't trim without modifying OpenCode itself. What we CAN control: - **Bootstrap prompt** could be merged with the character card's system_prompt to eliminate redundancy. Some rules about identity and behavior exist in both places. - **Character card** could lose `goals` and `tags` if they're already covered in the bootstrap prompt — save ~200 chars. - **Permission table** size depends on how many allow/deny rules — we could audit if some are stale. …[truncated] Recent incomplete/failed turns that still matter for continuity: - 2026-05-19T15:35:43.364645Z user said: okay i get it sorry. this should go away after next reload. i mean the wall of text not the permission issues - those should be gone already. status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:36:21.847790Z user said: oh not again status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:38:04.551759Z user said: test message status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T15:49:01.026811Z user said: ping status: failed; reason: Persistent-chat backend is wedged; controlled reload/replacement required - 2026-05-19T21:14:46.327922Z user said: Regarding modifying opencode, we have 2 patches already and you're now on our vendored patched backend. So nothing is off limits with gpt 5.5 agents but I am being more careful with opencode than openclaw. For mcps you have a lean proxy now, I think you probably have only the necessary tools left directly What can be done about permission rules? Also I am not talking about 5k but the current 240k. Granted we did a lot in this session, but was there any redundancy? Last time you correctly noticed verbose bash error outputs so this introspection really helps. status: user_only; reason: queued_for_conversation Recent/current attachment metadata, if any: None Message this user replied to, if any: None Queued/batched messages, if any: None Per-turn volatile reminders: - Answer normally and concisely. Put only user-visible answer text inside <matrix_lite_final>...</matrix_lite_final>. - Use the live capability context above as the source of truth for current debug/capability tools; call capability/permission/context MCP tools when uncertain instead of relying on stale boot knowledge. - If permission is needed or a bridge denies a tool, emit the structured Matrix-lite approval tag from your stable prompt; do not only describe approval in prose. - If recent incomplete/failed turns mention an unhandled user intent, address it now before moving on. - Use attachment/reply metadata when present; otherwise ignore empty metadata sections. - Do not mention internal Matrix-lite metadata unless the user asks. User message: Regarding modifying opencode, we have 2 patches already and you're now on our vendored patched backend. So nothing is off limits with gpt 5.5 agents but I am being more careful with opencode than openclaw. For mcps you have a lean proxy now, I think you probably have only the necessary tools left directly What can be done about permission rules? Also I am not talking about 5k but the current 240k. Granted we did a lot in this session, but was there any redundancy? Last time you correctly noticed verbose bash error outputs so this introspection really helps.


<matrix_lite_found_good>Ah, you're looking at the 240k total, not the 5k base. Let me break down what I can see from the context report: **Context Report breakdown:** - `cachedReadTokens_cumulative`: 241,024 (provider's accumulated cache accounting) - `estimated_context_tokens`: 104,464 (actual unique context we're using) - `prompt_chars`: 367,733 (our conversation history) - `assistant_chars`: 50,126 (my replies) - `last_turn_active_tokens`: 1,213 (the per-turn prompt — nice and lean) The 240k is the provider's cumulative cache metric, not unique context. The actual session content is ~104k unique tokens. But there IS redundancy: **Permission rules are the biggest fixable bloat.** The opencode config has **26 `"bash"` references** and at least 14 full agent sections duplicating identical allow/deny rules. Each videoctl allow rule appears 14+ times, each test command pattern 14+ times. This bloats the config to 24K+ lines. **What we can do about it:** - **Permission inheritance** — OpenCode likely supports per-agent override of a shared base config. Instead of duplicating the same 500+ rules 14 times, define them once and have each agent section inherit with per-agent exceptions. - **Prune stale rules** — Some denys in the config may reference paths that no longer exist - **Compact the format** — The JSON config uses verbose object syntax; minifying wouldn't save much but consolidation would **Other redundancy in the 240k:** - Our long conversation history from this session (~360k chars of prompts) — normal for a productive session - Each tool call result gets logged — some are longer than needed The permission duplication is the low-hanging fruit since it affects every session start and bloats the cached system prompt too. Want me to audit the actual duplication and propose a shared-base config structure? </matrix_lite_found_good>